ATF's Proposed Termination of Special Agent & Whistleblower Vincent A. Cefalu
#101
Posted 26 June 2011 - 09:10 PM
We became good friends after we learned that I had filed my first EEO complaint against some of the same players, i.e. Al Mabanag and little did I know that I would later file my second EEO case against some of the same managers in the future, SAC Martin, SAC Gleysteen, SAC Herkins, etc. Since the day I have met Vince, he has been one of my heroes. There is never a day for those of you who don't know him, that his phone is not ringing off the hook from ATF agents and employees from around the country. He has devoted his waking hours to helping each and everyone of them and has never said that he is too busy to help anyone fight the cause.
I have had a 20 year law enforcement career and spent the last 8 of it working as an ATF agent. I am not one of the whining malcontents that Mr. Melson spoke of on his CNN interview!! I left the agency when I had to file my second EEO case after I was retaliated against when I helped an Agent they wrongfully terminated whom I am happy to say won his case and has been reinstated. After what I experienced, I believed ATF was going to fire me so I left a job I loved before that could happen. Vince has had my back for the last two years and has been helping me fight my case as well as helping other agents both current and those who were forced to retire early fight theirs. I am personally aware that even though Vince has paid a high price and made some sacrifices to help those of us out, he has chosen this path because he has heart and faith (even when I don't) that this agency can somehow be restored to it's former glory.
I can't help but feel somewhat responsible for what has happened to Vince as my case was starting to heat up and I believe that ATF decided to pull this stunt hoping that if Vince had to worry about fighting his termination, then he would not have time to help the rest of us out. Wrong answer ATF......we are like those lizards whose tails you may cut off, but they will grow a second one!! It makes me sick that the ATF managers and higher can lie to congress, continue to ruin to ruin employees careers and lives yet they can be promoted with many unresolved EEO cases filed against them, which by the way is against ATF's policies.
YES I MEAN YOU MR. GLEYSTEEN, SAC MARTIN and SAC TORRES.
And well, I guess SAC HERKINS you have decided to add yourself in our food chain!! ATF will continue to reward these guys with SES pay as they ruin lives and careers in their wake and lie and say they had no idea what was happening on their watch. Sorry the law doesn't work that way it is your job to know if you want to make the big bucks.
Vince while I know you will prevail (again I might add), I am truly sorry that you must go through this!! God Bless and thank you from the bottom of my heart for what you have done for all your brothers and sister agents! I will say this, I feel so much better the second time around to know that my fellow brother and sister agents and fellow ATF employees are finally starting to take a stand against these injustices and make their voice heard making it known that "No ATF, it is not OK to threaten and discriminate against your own".
#102
Posted 26 June 2011 - 03:35 PM
I will update you all as I clear information that can be posted. Let's not lose sight of the reason we are all here. This is not "SaveVinceCefalu.org". No one has ever died or been injured (quite the contrary) as a direct result of any of my official (or personal) actions, therefore, if Newell, Gillette, Voth and McMahon, Hoover and Melson are still on the job, so will I be.
The law firm of Minami & Tamaki, LLP., are supposed to be the best in San Francisco. If that's true, this will be a cake walk.
#103
Posted 26 June 2011 - 03:14 PM
I know the regular readers of this site are aware of the background but for the new visitors to this site, here is the short version of of this site:McLemore went well beyond "Lack of Candor". The OIG proved that she perjured herself (perjury, lying under oath, a felony) on two separate occasions years apart. The OIG attempted to have McLemore prosecuted. The US Attorney's office declined prosecution in lieu of internal ATF actions.
What was the ATF discipline for an SES SAC who was guilty of perjury? Promote her to the Assistant to the Director until her retirement date hit and then promote her leaving the agency as an ATF hero and trailblazer!
So now they want to terminate Cefalu for trumped-up bullshit with holes in the allegations big enough to drive a Mack Truck through? This is an example of what CleanUpATF has said from day one - the application of discipline is never applied evenly or equally at ATF.
ATF wants Vince's ass because he's a Whistleblower. They want his job because he is the crux of exposing their crimes.
- Brave ATF employees or former employees conceive idea of this web site, CUATF, because they know that whistleblower retaliation exists in ATF for GS-13s and below.
- Vince Cefalu is vocal about the issue of ATF retaliation, (shows leadership and integrity) and he goes on CNN to expose the truth.
- Vince tells the world what is going on and how things can be turned around.
- Vince is notified he is being terminated.
- ATF executives and possibly DOJ executives formulate a plan to allow alleged criminals to obtain approximately 2,500 weapons which can be modified into fully automatic weapons that can kill US and Mexican police as well as military officials, not to mention thousands of innocent citizens on both sides of the border. The existence of this operation is denied when it is linked to the death of PB Agent Brian Terry and ICE Agent Zapata. This causes even more public attention and the ATF SES's refuse to provide the US Congress with the documents they requested. Our President goes of national television talking about the good things the US is doing on the border because someone briefed him on inaccurate information. The parties involved in this debacle still have their jobs and Vince is headed to the unemployment line.
#104 Guest_microscope_*
Posted 26 June 2011 - 11:46 AM
What was the ATF discipline for an SES SAC who was guilty of perjury? Promote her to the Assistant to the Director until her retirement date hit and then promote her leaving the agency as an ATF hero and trailblazer!
So now they want to terminate Cefalu for trumped-up bullshit with holes in the allegations big enough to drive a Mack Truck through? This is an example of what CleanUpATF has said from day one - the application of discipline is never applied evenly or equally at ATF.
ATF wants Vince's ass because he's a Whistleblower. They want his job because he is the crux of exposing their crimes.
#105
Posted 26 June 2011 - 06:03 AM
Rumor mill says a concerned citizen provided a couple of key players with official documentation of the McLemore "lack of candor" and misappropriations. Might make for some interesting questions down the road. So much of what is "SOP" internally isn't going to fly with the general public.
p.s. They know about the glory hole, too.
#106 Guest_ONCE PROUD_*
Posted 26 June 2011 - 03:22 AM
#107
Posted 25 June 2011 - 05:58 PM
The insanity is only just beginning... ATF management is super pissed-off for being exposed. History will repeat itself as it always does and management most certainly will be looking to fire many many more good honest hard working street agents as payback. Dark days ahead.Okay, okay, I've got this figured out. If the Acting Director's first priority was to terminate Cefalu at the height of the F&F crisis (with the real threat of indictments against executives and possible abolishment of the agency), his next moves should be: discipline the whistleblowers for violating the media policy...send the former SAC of PHX to Mexico anyways (because, by God, he is behind him 100% and this will all blow over soon enough)...promote the "detailed" ASACs to SAC backfills...promote G/S PHX VII to ASAC of PHX...and...ah what the hell...reinstate the former SAC of Atlanta as the Deputy Director. Sure, this is dark satire, but something close to this will happen. Just watch brothers and sisters...just watch.
#108
Posted 25 June 2011 - 05:12 PM
#109
Posted 25 June 2011 - 01:26 PM
#110
Posted 25 June 2011 - 01:15 PM
I agree with you Vince. You do not lack candor and you do not have body odor like some A-hole stated 2 years back. We need more stand up guys like Vince.I wonder if G. Elaine Smith ATF's Bureau Deciding Official (aka Grim Reaper) and Bill McMahon the Deputy Assistant Director who voted to terminate your service (even though he approved, supported and still defends Fast and Furious; aka hypocrite) thought your interview on Fox tonight displayed "less than candor".
I bet they don't.
#111
Posted 25 June 2011 - 11:44 AM
#112 Guest_CovertOne_*
Posted 25 June 2011 - 11:23 AM
This little group of self-proclaimed imperial leaders at ATF have done everything in their collective powers to paint Vince and Dobyns as public enemy number one to the public and to ATF's employees.
No one is buying it. There is no doubt how much those guys and others care about ATF. They have risked their careers and reputations to speak out.
In the midst of Fast and Furious those same decision makers made the worst possible move they could have with the plan and timing to fire Vince. ATF executives who have no dog in the hunt are coming forward to support Vince and say "enough is enough".
The lies, the cover ups, the stonewalling, the abuse of those of us in the field ends now, today, immediately. Melson, Hoover, Chait, McMahon, Loos don't get to say when it ends. It ends now because WE the working stiffs at ATF, say it does.
God bless Vince and every person out there, ATF or not, who is done with the corruption.
I'm not the smartest guy at ATF. I'm not the best Agent we have. I try to be a good soldier and follow the good leadership. But I do know this.
Who ever our Director is, whether Melson stays, whether Traver comes in, whether an Interim Director is seated --- ATF's Headquarters has entirely lost the support of the field and they have to do something to get it back. You guys have created a giant wall of resentment.
The simplest and quickest way to do that is to put and end to the nonscense and clean up and out the old bad business. Everyday presents an opportunity to start new and fresh and change our ways.
Stop firing employees for allegations that pale against the proven facts that executives have been given grace for. Stop beating down people in the field. Stop defeating the spirit and will and motivation of the field. Stop retaliating against your workers. ATF is being run the principle of communism.
Get rid of the old bad business. Clean up the pending EEO disputes. Stop the terminations. Stop suing agents. We can not move forward with all the resentment from the field. Remember, HQ is what, maybe 5% of the total agency. Without the support of the other 95% we simply can't and won't recover and move forward.
ATF will be just fine without the likes of Melson, Hoover and Chait. ATF stands no chance without the 2500 street employees. Before anything else our leadership needs to show that they care about us, not tell us how much they do.
#113
Posted 25 June 2011 - 11:18 AM
Appreciate the compliment but it's only "outside the box" because it's not your environment (investigations are), to me, marketing is the primary approach, albeit if this is with a unique focus. My only goal, as i stated in an earlier thread, is to have an ATF Wash beaucracy with half the integrity i assumed them have.Ralph, don't know who you are and don't care. First let me say I like you. Its called thinking outside the box and the ad is an EXCELLENT idea. TBC We can post a draft and everybody can weigh in, so its representative of the ENTIRE field.
Regarding any suggestion of any funds, I am SO appreciative and yes humbled. However, before this train even leaves the station, I have EVERYTHING I need. I have my friends, and I have my honor. So please, if anybody is reading this PLEASE, send your money to Katrina victims, the Law Enforcement Memorial fund or Law Enforcement Survivors Children's scholarship fund or maybe we could see if the Terry and Zapata families need any help. Peace V
if it helps, I've got trade industry articles scanned that i think demonstrate the history & established pattern of corruption of management at Wash HQ - I suspect the board may already have some or most of these, but the two that come to mind foremost are:
1) article that appeared in 1996 (iirc) issue of SAR magazine re NFA Branch's assistant chief caught (in the appeal) of committing complete perjury in testimony given in a case in Norfolk va. The perjury related to testifying the NFA registry was 100% accurate when in fact not only did was it not, but the dealer had presented evidence he had faxed in to NFA branch forms, which ATF denied, and in the appeal, after proving the perjury re the "100% accuracy rate", Gary Schaibel admitted to defense counsel, when asked "if there were any instances of NFA staff having been reprimanded in any way related to the charges filed against the defendant", Schaibel, already having been embarrassed because of having been caught with first instance of perjury, didn't know if defense (Jim Jeffries) counsel had evidence or was fishing. Schaibel fessed up, that 2 on staff had been "punitively transferred" for having shredded faxed in forms. An innocent dealer had been originally sentenced to 20 yrs for possession of six "unregistered" machineguns that were in fact registered. Equally bad, he lost his store, his home, his wife and 2 teenage sones were living in his brother-in-laws' basement while the appeal was heard. You can bet his gray hair count went way up, and it was only by the grace of god that he retained Jim Jeffries (retired DOJ prosecutor that absolutely hated ATF management) and then again by the grace of god, that a FBI bud of his informed him of the nationally teleconferenced training seminar detailing the instructions from the then chief of NFA (Busey) to agents that "we have always and will always testify the NFA registry is 100% accurate" - that stmt made as he had just finished indicating the registry suffered from an error rate of 49-50%.
There's more to that story but for brevity here, i'll leave the descript at that
2nd one - iirc, another article re the ATF Air force and how the ATF director setting up that "air force" embezzled $4.2 million, and even after the GAO discovered the embezzlement, ATF tried to quietly retire him rather than prosecute. That story was researched / written by Jim Pate - Pate has been nominated for a couple of Pulitzers and has testified at congress before.
I've actually got a collection of about 18-19 of these type stories that i've saved with my atty, as well as one, of lesser seriousness but still close, where we caught our NFA examiner altering forms we'd submitted (changing the application date to cover his backside on how long he'd been sitting on the transfers). I filed an OIG complaint (Office of Professional misconduct), and have a 41 minute phone call recording with Mary Jo Hughes, then division director of NFA, Imports & Licensing (all office lines are recorded and it's legal here in my state). In that conversation, Mrs Hughes confirmed that if my allegations were true, it would constitute a double felony, one of making a fraudulent representation on a fed document and 2nd of altering a fed document. NO INVESTIGATION WAS ever conducted - in fact, the individual was promoted to supervisor.
Another instance of chief counsel Theresa Ficaretta (not certain of the spelling) lying to me in a letter - the exact opposite of her indication to me surfaced in another letter she'd written to a firearms atty in another ruling letter.
if the board were to organize a page detailing the instances of corruption, in a way so that it's better organized for new visitors to this subject, i think you'd see a ton of interest snowballing in the public. Just the story of the dealer in norfolk and the ATF Air Force embezzlement would make a good foundation for what ATF is doing today, to it's agents and to the public in the way of the FAST & FURIOUS scandal, and sure would make it hard for chuckie schumer to attack those testifying against ATF and protect ATF management.
If the board wants copies of these, i'd prefer to send paper copies by snail mail. just post a mailing address
and one last possible offering - there's one individual at ATF HQ that i trust - my trust of him was confirmed when i asked my then atty, Jim Jeffries about him - Jim's response was "he's the only one that i've had on the stand that wouldn't lie for ATF". he's now retired, and a helluva solid guy - stilling working for ATF on a contract basis, but pretty independent. i suspect he could be awfully useful if approached by someone on this board, in the right manner, in a number of ways. In one conversation him, and with him knowing my office lines are recorded, in response to my question to him "xxxx, has lying become a professional responsibility at ATF?", his response was, in a low / embarrassed tone, "yes - no one here knows how to apologize when they're caught wrong - instead they go straight to circling the wagons".
I would also suggest contacting Jim Jeffries - he retired for the 3rd time (21 yrs Marine Corp JAG, 13 yrs DOJ prosecutor then a number of years private law practice in the firearms field. Also Robert Sands, retired atty. He was director of ATF's Law Enforcement division and retired early 1990 and went to practicing firearms law, as he hated the degradation of integrity & standards at ATF. Last time i spoke to him though, alhzimers appeared to be setting in.
FWIW
#114 Guest_Corny_*
Posted 25 June 2011 - 10:55 AM
Who ever our Director is, whether Melson stays, whether Traver comes in, whether an Interim Director is seated --- ATF's Headquarters has entirely lost the support of the field and they have to do something to get it back. You guys have created a giant wall of resentment.
The simplest and quickest way to do that is to put and end to the nonscense and clean up and out the old bad business. Everyday presents an opportunity to start new and fresh and change our ways.
Stop firing employees for allegations that pale against the proven facts that executives have been given grace for. Stop beating down people in the field. Stop defeating the spirit and will and motivation of the field. Stop retaliating against your workers. ATF is being run the principle of communism.
Get rid of the old bad business. Clean up the pending EEO disputes. Stop the terminations. Stop suing agents. We can not move forward with all the resentment from the field. Remember, HQ is what, maybe 5% of the total agency. Without the support of the other 95% we simply can't and won't recover and move forward.
ATF will be just fine without the likes of Melson, Hoover and Chait. ATF stands no chance without the 2500 street employees. Before anything else our leadership needs to show that they care about us, not tell us how much they do.
#115
Posted 25 June 2011 - 10:38 AM
This is unacceptable management by ATF's stupid executives. The Congressional Hearings were dead-on...ATF is being led by a bunch of idiots and incompetents!
Vince, I know you will press on and prove them wrong!
For Clean Up ATF!
#116
Posted 25 June 2011 - 10:30 AM
Don't forget he was also Chairman of the PRB before his promotion to SAC.Didn't the OIG accuse Marvin Richardson of "Lack of Candor"? Did IA investigate that one for two years?
Then again he is a 15 and got a promotion to SAC. What was I thinking?
For Clean Up ATF!
#117
Posted 25 June 2011 - 08:59 AM
#118
Posted 25 June 2011 - 07:19 AM
#119
Posted 24 June 2011 - 10:51 PM
#120
Posted 24 June 2011 - 10:10 PM
#121
Posted 24 June 2011 - 10:04 PM
#122
Posted 24 June 2011 - 09:44 PM
Regarding any suggestion of any funds, I am SO appreciative and yes humbled. However, before this train even leaves the station, I have EVERYTHING I need. I have my friends, and I have my honor. So please, if anybody is reading this PLEASE, send your money to Katrina victims, the Law Enforcement Memorial fund or Law Enforcement Survivors Children's scholarship fund or maybe we could see if the Terry and Zapata families need any help. Peace V
saw the segment on fox business news - and while it is good exposure, not exactly the prime time you guys need
again, i'll suggest, even a 1/4 page ad in the washington times,(insist on the top half of the page), run 3 days consecutive, simply stating, something along the lines "Help us Clean Up the Corruption, Arrogance & Waste at ATF - we need the American public's help. Visit CleanUpATF.org
sign it "current and former employees / agents of ATF"
start a fund here, i'll contribute (for the record, i'm not atf but am and have been firearms industry since 1982)
guys, you'll have ATF wetting themselves and you WILL get attention, from other media as well as more attention from congress
and start another fund to help support vince Cefalu's legal costs
the american public needs to know about what i've never told anyone outside the industry, cause they'd never have believed it
hearing it from ATF agents will give it credentials
just a suggestion - keep the sunlight or spotlight on ATF
#123
Posted 24 June 2011 - 08:42 PM
#124
Posted 24 June 2011 - 07:52 PM
ATF handed Vince Cefalu a letter yesterday telling him that he was to be fired for what ATF determined to be dastardly and infamous deeds. After decades of dedicated duty to country and mission, he, ATF deemed, was beyond rehabilitation and merited an unceremonious and ignominious shuffling out of those hallowed ATF portals. They took his badge and gun, and he walked out without so much as a look back at the ATF logo bearing the unwritten, “Arbeit macht Frei.” This action begs one, single, over-arching question above all others: What the hell were they thinking?
Let us, for argument's sake, assume that the allegations against Vince are true and do not even include all of his transgressions. Stop to look at the timing of his termination notice. Only one week ago, Rep. Darell Issa expressly and unequivocally ordered ATF not to try to retaliate against agents involved in the current investigations of the debacle that was the Fast & Furious operation. Sen. Charles Grassley likewise gave ATF and DOJ similar marching orders on multiple occasions. The timing of Vince's termination proposal smacks of vengeful retaliation. ATF's and DOJ's clear joint response to their no-retaliation directives was to piss on the legs of Rep. Issa and Sen. Grassley. Somewhere tonight, Darell and Chuck are shaking off their pants legs incredulous at the unmistakable throwing down of the gauntlet by ATF and DOJ.
Vince, while not directly a witness to the antics of F&F, nor a participant in the mayhem that it wrought, has been a vocal critic of the documented foolishness that led to the tragic deaths of at least two US law enforcement officers and an unknown number of Mexican nationals. He coordinated the efforts of whistle-blowers and tried to ensure that they would receive some protection from the retaliation that ATF managers would certainly mete if allowed. He has been vocal on this blog and everywhere people would listen about ATF abuses not only related to F&F, but all over the agency and the country. He has complained about ATF management's abdications of the agency mission and of their abuses of employees, and by extension of our communities. He was interviewed by CNN after having spent over two years with no assigned duties as a Special Agent. And after having filed complaint after complaint against the agency, uninvestigated and unaddressed all, ATF now renders a second Proposal of Termination, the first having been withdrawn years ago after it also was shown to be pretextual and retaliatory. The buyers of Cadillacs, discriminators, perjurers, filers of false police reports and smugglers of firearms into Mexico still clip-clop their Italian-leathered soles around ATF Headquarters with impunity, but Vince had to be drummed out immediately lest he taint the crisp, cool linens that drape the incestuous four-poster that comprises ATF's top management and Counsels Office.
So what brain-trust broke out the 5th Floor's Magic 8-Ball that said this was a good time to whack the hornet's nest again? Did ATF's hockey-helmeted management cadre orchestrate this alone, or did DOJ also jump into the mire, rubber booted and yellow-slickered, to lend their able talents? What discussions led them to decide that when you have an agency lambasted by criticisms across the board, internally and externally, that is a good time to throw a telegraphed hay-maker in front of the crowd just hoping for another agency foul? When in open Congressional hearings last week, witnesses testified that ATF is rife with examples of retaliation against employees, what untarnished genius concluded that the following week was the perfect time to launch a full frontal attack on one of the most vocal critics of ATF management decisions, to include the collusion of the ATF Counsels Office, and the abuses and retaliation carried out by both? And pray tell me the bonus that Public Affairs leadership will get for the epiphany to serve Vince the proposal on a Thursday, so he would have time to arrange media interviews that could run all weekend, the very weekend that Rep. Issa, et al, are in Mexico continuing their investigation of F&F? This was an act to show that ATF will show no more respect or consideration for its own than it did for the people of Mexico.
And the question's icing, as it is with F&F, who knew what and when? Did Ken Melson know that this was coming in the middle of the current maelstrom, or did this catch him by surprise after the fact? Mr. Melson's background in law and science does not likely lend itself to impulsive acts. Either he knew and took careful consideration before either he rendered active approval or passive acquiescence, or he did not know and now finds himself in another morass spawned of those around him interested only in their own power and positions? If the former, then he is no better than those around him and merits no better end. If the latter, he needs to break ranks and show the leadership this agency needs right now. If he is interested in testifying before Congress about F&F and other issues at ATF, then he can include in his testimony unambiguous condemnation of what are clear examples of incompetence, abuse, and retaliation within ATF.
#125 Guest_Jumper_*
Posted 24 June 2011 - 07:48 PM
Below is a statement provided under the penalty of perjury by an ATF Agent regarding the training he/she received on how ATF managers are instructed to handle personnel disputes.
(It was first publicly exposed during a CNN interview of Cefalu and others. Here is the link: ATF AGENTS DESCRIBE FEAR OF RETALIATION http://articles.cnn....?_s=PM:POLITICS)
The training was provided to ATF managers by Eleanor Loos - ATF'S CHIEF ETHICS ATTORNEY (!) - and her trusted assistant Valerie Bacon.
When confronted publicly with this document ATF Public Relations SpinMaster Scott Thomasson is quoted as follows, "The bureau looked into the statements made by Loos. What we found is those statements were being taken out of context. In addition, they were being characterized in a slanted matter by the person who wrote it."
Wrong Scott Thomasson. ATF didn't look into Loos's statements. They weren't taken out of context. You, Mr. Public and Governmental Affair are a stone-cold liar! You defended corruption and violations of the law!
This is exactly the type of mentality ATF Agents like Vince Cefalu are forced to battle under with ATF leadership.
Ask yourself this question: If I am an ATF Agent with a dispute or knowledge of illegal activity; do I come forward?; do I tell the truth?; do I seek justice?; will the "No Fear Act" protect me?
Before you answer you can seek the counsel of Agents like Hiram Andres, John Taylor, Paul Jessen, Kelly Niess, Louis Quinonez, Jay Dobyns, Rene Jacquez, James Tokos, Steve Carmen, Robbie McGowan-Bulter, Phyliss Goins, Francis Neeley, John Dodson, Reggina Jones, Rafiq Ahmad, Patty Montoya, Jeff Litman, Doug DaCosta or Dan Arrugueta - and that's just the short list. Ask them how ATF treats whistleblowers. They will tell you ATF f**ks whistleblowers and unless you're tied to "Gunrunner" or "Fast and Furious". Congress doesn't care.
I will not go into the details of the document because they are all contained within. You decide what this means using the common sense, reason and logic God gave you.
Would you stick your neck out to speak the truth at ATF?
#126 Guest_Jumper_*
Posted 24 June 2011 - 07:46 PM
I bet they don't.
The short version is " Lack of Candor". Anyone who knows me knows I have many characters flaws. Lacking candor is NOT one of them. I don't lie, I have never lied under oath or in an Official capacity. I apologize for not posting sooner. Vincent A Cefalu
#127
Posted 24 June 2011 - 07:42 PM
Ok, I am new on here. So, this may sound like I am a dumbass but what the hell are they saying "officially" that Vince Cefalu did to deserve firing. I have been around long enough to know about some fk'ed up stuff happening that did not warrant firing. After all, one can apparently construct a gloryhole in a hotel room while on travel status and all is well.......What gives?????????!!!!!!!!
I know the WHY behind this, just not the "OFFICIAL" reason that was given.
#128
Posted 24 June 2011 - 06:15 PM
#129
Posted 24 June 2011 - 02:24 PM
(It was first publicly exposed during a CNN interview of Cefalu and others. Here is the link: ATF AGENTS DESCRIBE FEAR OF RETALIATION http://articles.cnn....?_s=PM:POLITICS)
The training was provided to ATF managers by Eleanor Loos - ATF'S CHIEF ETHICS ATTORNEY (!) - and her trusted assistant Valerie Bacon.
When confronted publicly with this document ATF Public Relations SpinMaster Scott Thomasson is quoted as follows, "The bureau looked into the statements made by Loos. What we found is those statements were being taken out of context. In addition, they were being characterized in a slanted matter by the person who wrote it."
Wrong Scott Thomasson. ATF didn't look into Loos's statements. They weren't taken out of context. You, Mr. Public and Governmental Affair are a stone-cold liar! You defended corruption and violations of the law!
This is exactly the type of mentality ATF Agents like Vince Cefalu are forced to battle under with ATF leadership.
Ask yourself this question: If I am an ATF Agent with a dispute or knowledge of illegal activity; do I come forward?; do I tell the truth?; do I seek justice?; will the "No Fear Act" protect me?
Before you answer you can seek the counsel of Agents like Hiram Andres, John Taylor, Paul Jessen, Kelly Niess, Louis Quinonez, Jay Dobyns, Rene Jacquez, James Tokos, Steve Carmen, Robbie McGowan-Bulter, Phyliss Goins, Francis Neeley, John Dodson, Reggina Jones, Rafiq Ahmad, Patty Montoya, Jeff Litman, Doug DaCosta or Dan Arrugueta - and that's just the short list. Ask them how ATF treats whistleblowers. They will tell you ATF f**ks whistleblowers and unless you're tied to "Gunrunner" or "Fast and Furious". Congress doesn't care.
I will not go into the details of the document because they are all contained within. You decide what this means using the common sense, reason and logic God gave you.
Would you stick your neck out to speak the truth at ATF?
#130
Posted 24 June 2011 - 01:21 PM
I spent 4 years in DHS AZ. I know what a clusterf* DHS and DOJ have become. I decided to retire the day Brian Terry was killed, when my spineless DC Hq started burying their heads and covering their asses over the whole incident.
We knew the trigger had a cellphone; we knew the number. I got a friend to provide an SM Opus to track the phone on a helo. But the Famous But Incompetent took over the scene and that was the end of trying to find the trigger.
I don't know you Vince, but keep your chin up - you're not alone.
Semper Fidelis
#131
Posted 24 June 2011 - 01:20 PM
Note on McMahon: From second hand experience that my fellow agents have experienced he never met an EEO complaint that he found to be credible. E. Loos has every damn manager at ATF brainwashed into believing that no matter what they do wrong she will fight and win for them in court.
DAD Bill McMahon and SAC Andy Anderson were the two agents on the disciplinary panel who voted to fire Vince. There were a couple other twits and the Bureau Deciding Official G. Elaine Smith.
Don't care about the twits. Don't care about Smith. She may have final say but she is just a puppet for Chief Counsels Office.
Andy Anderson voting to kill off an agent based on one-sided IA report? No surprises there. He wears the right cuff links and has his shirts monogrammed so he can do whatever he wants in the world of ATF executives (except ever have the respect of another hard working ATF Agent again). All you have ever done is say 'no' to agents that is until it comes time to fire one and they you say 'yes'. You are one of the ones who has to be buried in the reorganization.
Bill McMahon voted to get rid of Vince. OK. Let's review. Bill McMahon is Bill Newell's first level supervisor. Bill McMahon is in the chain of command for Fast and Furious. Bill McMahon has supervised for years, John Torres, Bill Newell, Kelvin Crenshaw. Bill McMahon could have fired any of the three, done ATF a service and been completely justified and supported.
Instead his club members get protected and you stand by for the report on Vanilla Pudding Vind pulling Vince's badge and gun. San Francisco SAC Herkins didn't even have the balls to be in the office and face up to a 25-year agent when they took his job. Now that is ATF leadership. Our future. NOT!
Vind, Herkins you guys have to be buried in the reorganization too. Seriously. Grow some balls.
Bill McMahon. What happened to you? Do you remember the day your balls fell off or did they just slowly disolve once you started drinking the headquarters KoolAid and you never really noticed they were gone?
Vince is going to shock the house with the details of his railroading. As the truth comes out the embarassment to ATF will grow larger. He'll have his gun and badge back with back pay soon enough.
McMahon, you'll hopefully be sitting in a jail cell, broke after the Terry's take your money in a civil suit, and you can think about what a coward you turned out to be by supporting Fast and Furious.
Hey Bill. We were going to let this one go but since you turned into a total douche, get ready to explain all your cool trips on ATF's dime where you dragged your girlfriend around. Some to Europe too, huh. You better have this covered and buttoned down tight because a whole lotta people know what you been up to, watched you do it, heard you talk about it, watched you cheat the G for your personal pleasure.
Game on bitches!
#132
Posted 24 June 2011 - 01:11 PM
#133
Posted 24 June 2011 - 12:40 PM
From the L.A. Times:
Kenneth E. Melson, who has run the bureau for two years, is reportedly eager to testify to Congress about the extent of his and other officials' involvement in the operation, code-named Fast and Furious.
Melson does not want to be "the fall guy" for the program, under which ATF agents allowed straw purchasers to acquire more than 1,700 AK-47s and other high-powered rifles from Arizona gun dealers, the sources said. The idea was to track the guns to drug cartel leaders. But that goal proved elusive, and the guns turned up at shootings in Mexico, as well as at the slaying in Arizona of a U.S. Border Patrol agent in December.
"He is saying he won't go," said one source close to the situation, who asked for anonymity because high-level discussions with Melson remained fluid. "He has told them, 'I'm not going to be the fall guy on this.' "
Added a second source, who also requested anonymity: "He's resisting. He does not want to go."
Oh that's just super Ken. Now that your ass is on the line your testicles drop and you all of sudden form a backbone to stand tall?
With everything going on how did you find the time to fire Agent Cefalu? When we find out what attorneys on your staff orchestrated the whitewash frame job you did on him they are going to be looking for the door too.
Looks as though he will be stepping down? I just went through the same thing that Agent Cefalu went through, but in the private sector but I have no fear, the truth will stand when all else falls.
http://www.cnn.com/2...?iref=allsearch
#134 Guest_CUATF Webmaster_*
Posted 24 June 2011 - 11:22 AM
1) ATF's alleged justifications for the proposed adverse action are patently flawed and will never stand up to outside scrutiny. The claim that Vince was "less than candid" is absurdly false, a fact which will soon be borne out by discovery in a number of related criminal and civil cases. A number of ATF managers and a co-conspirator agent will likely be prosecuted and convicted for perjury. Moreover, so many top-ranking ATF managers have been officially found to have overtly lied or grotesquely distorted the truth in a litany of internal and external investigations as to render any "candor" assertion in an adverse action case such as Vince's, both laughable and procedurally untenable. Government-wide regulations require that disciplinary action at any level must be fairly and equitably applied, and it will be like shooting fish in a barrel to establish that ATF has deliberately and egregiously violated Vince's employee and civil rights. We are prepared to unleash the Mother of all discovery packages that will air ATF management's dirty laundry in a manner that they haven't foreseen in the worst nightmares.
2) ATF is supposedly firing Vince for a number of alleged actions for which they have already disciplined (or attempted to discipline) him! That is overtly unlawful according to government-wide OPM regulations, in addition to DOJ and ATF policies.
3) Asst. Attorney General Ronald Weich told the Oversight Committee last during the recent hearings that DOJ (and ATF) would never retaliate against Whistleblowers". He lied.
4) ATF is disputing Vince's status as a Whistleblower, but that will never stand up to outside investigation. Cefalu meets every criteria as a Whistleblower and is considered to be one by certain influential members of Congress, which trumps anything that those criminal jackasses in ATF's Chief Counsel's Office have (as usual), fabricated.
This was done specifically as a shot across the bow of any additional agents who might think about standing up to ATF management's endemic corruption. It is explicitly intended to have a chilling effect on potential Whistleblowers and cow them into submission. But they have made a colossal miscalculation here, and at the worst possible moment. They are already losing the PR battle, and will now be even more thoroughly exposed as a vile stain on the honor of federal law enforcement and our great nation. They are clearly flailing and lashing out like a wounded animal, and now, it would seem that even Kenny Boy himself might be ready to start throwing people under the bus. It would be entertaining if it wasn't so tragically serious for our nation.
We assure you with complete confidence that we are going to ram this proposed termination so far up their collective asses that they will be burping Cefalu for years to come. The people who promulgated this decision are every bit as corrupt, despicable and criminal as the most heartless, law-breaking mobsters or drug cartel bosses. They will be held accountable.
Stay tuned and keep lighting up those phone numbers we have provided.
#135 Guest_CovertOne_*
Posted 24 June 2011 - 10:20 AM
Who: ATF Special Agent Vince Cefalu
What: Appearing on Fox's National Cable Television Program America's Nightly Scoreboard
When: TODAY! 6:05 eastern / 3:05 pacific
Where: Nationwide on your televsion. Here is a link to find the station on your local cable http://www.foxbusiness.com/channel_finder.html
Why: Because ATF retaliated against Cefalu for blowing the whistle in the face of Congressional warnings and DOJ representatives stating that this never
happens
How: Because ATF management does not care what anyone says, tells them to do or what the law states
#136
Posted 24 June 2011 - 09:29 AM
It is outrageous that this has happened to you.
I went several rounds with ATF, in federal court, EEO and MSPB, each time I won.
I found out the more credible your evidence, the harder ATF management and legal counsel will try to discredit you.
When ATF could not discredit me, they went after witnesses.
If ATF's executive staff did not violate regulations, laws and employee rights -- they would not need legal counsel to "handle"the situations. At taxpayer's expense, I might add.
If anyone looked into the fundamental operations of how ATF systematically conduct their business with employees that step up, report and expose the abuse of power --the taxpayers would be appalled at the CORRUPTION and VIOLATION OF PUBLIC TRUST.
We are all very upset with the fact that a federal employee may have died as the result of a weapon that ATF let walk. BUT MAKE NO MISTAKE THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL NOT TOLERATE THIS SITUATION WHEN THE BLOOD BEGINS TO SPILL FROM CIVILIANS AND BYSTANDERS. I think Congress knows that it is a matter of time before those guns make it into criminal activities
#137 Guest_Simple Man_*
Posted 24 June 2011 - 12:39 AM
#138 Guest_microscope_*
Posted 23 June 2011 - 08:56 PM
Kenneth E. Melson, who has run the bureau for two years, is reportedly eager to testify to Congress about the extent of his and other officials' involvement in the operation, code-named Fast and Furious.
Melson does not want to be "the fall guy" for the program, under which ATF agents allowed straw purchasers to acquire more than 1,700 AK-47s and other high-powered rifles from Arizona gun dealers, the sources said. The idea was to track the guns to drug cartel leaders. But that goal proved elusive, and the guns turned up at shootings in Mexico, as well as at the slaying in Arizona of a U.S. Border Patrol agent in December.
"He is saying he won't go," said one source close to the situation, who asked for anonymity because high-level discussions with Melson remained fluid. "He has told them, 'I'm not going to be the fall guy on this.' "
Added a second source, who also requested anonymity: "He's resisting. He does not want to go."
Oh that's just super Ken. Now that your ass is on the line your testicles drop and you all of sudden form a backbone to stand tall?
With everything going on how did you find the time to fire Agent Cefalu? When we find out what attorneys on your staff orchestrated the whitewash frame job you did on him they are going to be looking for the door too.
#139
Posted 23 June 2011 - 08:32 PM
#140
Posted 23 June 2011 - 06:42 PM
ATF served Special Agent Vince Cefalu with termination paperwork today.
What they have done is disguised reprisal and retaliation as something else to fire him.
What some of you may not know about Vince is that he was a United States Marine, a local police officer and U.S. Customs Agent before he came to ATF. In spite of his sometimes callous methods of expressing himself he has never failed to speak the truth, represent for what is right, fight for justice, and; doing all in the face of those who have the power to take his job of 25 years.
ATF has done everything within their power to break this agent. They have been proactive in the destruction of his reputation, killed his career, ruined his personal finances and have had emmense negative influence on his personal relationships and family members. Why? Because he didn't go along to get along. He didn't shut his mouth when ordered to. He didn't sit back like a coward when he saw things being done wrong, unethically and illegally. Now they are proposing to take the last thing they still have control over but, have yet to act on, his job.
I will say this from personal experience; Vince will stand in the path of a bullet for any good person and do so knowing the personal consequence could be grave but, at the same time being true to his character which is to stand up for people who can't or won't stand up for themselves. I have seen him do it on more than one occasion. And, when I say "bullet" I mean a projectile, AND, all the other various means and methods of attack that could be characterized as a bullet.
I would simply ask that anyone who believes in those traits and/or those who have personally witnessed the risks he has gladly accepted to help them and help reform ATF to weigh in on his behalf.
Vince does not deserve this in any way. It is an open demonstration of the corrupt arrogence of ATF management to ignore and defend those who have committed crimes as members of the agency but in turn, to attack Cefalu. No better example of ATF's double-standards exists than what took place today.
Ken Melson, you own this one as well as your Office of Chief Counsel. Shame on you and you attorneys for engaging in the retaliation you swore to America would not take place on your watch.
Ultimately why is Vince being fired. Because he exposed corruption, blew the whistle and helped launch CleanUpATF. This is ATF's payback.
God bless Vince Cefalu in his time of trouble.
Vince,
You are a brave, courageous,and honorable man. You have been wronged again and I want you to know that I am proud to call you my friend. I am asking you to set up a PO Box that people can send you tokens of gratitude and apprecitation. It is not over until it is over and this is far from over. I call on CNN, CBS, and all of the other media personnel to rally behind Vince in this act of injustice. To all LE personnel reading this, "MAN DOWN! GET A PLAN TOGETHER TO GET HIM BACK UP ASAP"
#141
Posted 23 June 2011 - 05:38 PM
#143 Guest_ONCE PROUD_*
Posted 23 June 2011 - 03:56 PM
#144
Posted 23 June 2011 - 02:44 PM
#145
Posted 23 June 2011 - 02:19 PM
#146 Guest_Epic Failure_*
Posted 23 June 2011 - 02:01 PM
#147
Posted 23 June 2011 - 01:38 PM
#148 Guest_CovertOne_*
Posted 23 June 2011 - 01:03 PM
ATF agents describe fear of retaliation
http://articles.cnn....?_s=PM:POLITICS
Video:
http://www.cnn.com/v....agent.cnn.html
ATF management is counterfiet. They are frauds! They protect each other for felonies and slam the little guy.
Where is Senator Grassley with a letter to ATF like the one he sent for Dodson? Do or do not whistleblower protections exist? Does the No Fear Act mean anything?
ATF Agents are behind you Vince. Never stop fighting the machine!
ATF served Special Agent Vince Cefalu with termination paperwork today.
What they have done is disguised reprisal and retaliation as something else to fire him.
What some of you may not know about Vince is that he was a United States Marine, a local police officer and U.S. Customs Agent before he came to ATF. In spite of his sometimes callous methods of expressing himself he has never failed to speak the truth, represent for what is right, fight for justice, and; doing all in the face of those who have the power to take his job of 25 years.
ATF has done everything within their power to break this agent. They have been proactive in the destruction of his reputation, killed his career, ruined his personal finances and have had emmense negative influence on his personal relationships and family members. Why? Because he didn't go along to get along. He didn't shut his mouth when ordered to. He didn't sit back like a coward when he saw things being done wrong, unethically and illegally. Now they are proposing to take the last thing they still have control over but, have yet to act on, his job.
I will say this from personal experience; Vince will stand in the path of a bullet for any good person and do so knowing the personal consequence could be grave but, at the same time being true to his character which is to stand up for people who can't or won't stand up for themselves. I have seen him do it on more than one occasion. And, when I say "bullet" I mean a projectile, AND, all the other various means and methods of attack that could be characterized as a bullet.
I would simply ask that anyone who believes in those traits and/or those who have personally witnessed the risks he has gladly accepted to help them and help reform ATF to weigh in on his behalf.
Vince does not deserve this in any way. It is an open demonstration of the corrupt arrogence of ATF management to ignore and defend those who have committed crimes as members of the agency but in turn, to attack Cefalu. No better example of ATF's double-standards exists than what took place today.
Ken Melson, you own this one as well as your Office of Chief Counsel. Shame on you and you attorneys for engaging in the retaliation you swore to America would not take place on your watch.
Ultimately why is Vince being fired. Because he exposed corruption, blew the whistle and helped launch CleanUpATF. This is ATF's payback.
God bless Vince Cefalu in his time of trouble.
#149 Guest_microscope_*
Posted 23 June 2011 - 12:35 PM
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