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[1desertrat]

Let's not forget the Cadillac SAC and ASAC. They are just as bad as GG. What about the abuses and corrupt conduct of Newell and Gleysteen. The standards and rules have to be applied to ALL, agents and bosses alike. Not just those who become high profile and end up being scapegoated. Don't minimize the fact that Mr. Melson did the "right thing" and got it right with GG. Keep going Mr. Melson.

I have to disagree that Mr. Melson got it right. I still stand by my original statement that if this was an Agent, he would be fired. Even if he does not get fired, it is absolutely inappropriate to keep a sexual predator in in a leadership position. All a "pass" like this does is reinforce the smug attitude of ATF managers that they are above the rules.

What else is Curios George taking a hit on?

[Doc Holiday]

Let's not forget the Cadillac SAC and ASAC. They are just as bad as GG. What about the abuses and corrupt conduct of Newell and Gleysteen. The standards and rules have to be applied to ALL, agents and bosses alike. Not just those who become high profile and end up being scapegoated. Don't minimize the fact that Mr. Melson did the "right thing" and got it right with GG. Keep going Mr. Melson.

[Thor God of Thunder]

I told you they would take care of GG, the predator and abuser. They should make GG register as a sex offender! Double standards, double standards, double standards! When can the employees of this fine bureau expect the executives be held to the same standard? Never?

[Doc Holiday]

How is it that GG is going to take 2 days a pay period until he has satified his 45 days? Would they make that allowance for ANY other employee? If I were the female in this scenario, a suspension, removal from management AND a transfer, I would be calling them down SOOOOOOO hard for disparate treatment. You correctly identify him as a predator. He should by policy AND ethical standards be immediately removed. But when you were Billy Hoovers roomate, the rules dont apply to you. Mr. Hoover, Mr. Melson, be prepared to answer for your actions because the whirwind is coming.

[1desertrat]

Word on the street today is that the woman agent involved has filed some type of action against ATF (how come the support staff always has better information than the agents?). Apparently she has a proposed reduction in grade from GS14 to GS13--that evaluation from GG must have been pretty good to get that 14! Apparently after all that "hard work" to get promoted, she feels it unfair that GG gets a suspension and she gets demoted. Well, it is clear how women under GG's supervision can improve their evaluations. It also shows why a woman under his supervision may not get a good evaluation should she not choose "private mentoring" sessions. I would think women in this office would be really pissed. If they get any legitimate kudos from GG all will think that they are getting "private mentoring" sessions as many of the office jokes are already alluding. Another interesting question is, what if this "mystery woman Agent" decided that her "mentoring sessions" were not voluntary but that she felt coerced by the authority of her supervisor. What if she now realizes that she was suffering PTSD all this time and now wants to file a sexual harassment claim or worse. What do we call it when sex is not consensual.....? I think not only would she NOT be demoted, but would be looking at a promotion and BIG $$$. What about ATF's liability to keep a documented predatory supervisor in place. Would not every closed door session be a potential law suit? As usual, the managers continue to circle the bowel and no one is willing to flush!

[BeenThereDoneThat]

I personally think its karma at its best. A manager who is responsible for so much destruction of a field division now is reeping what he has sown. Problem is, he now has no one to turn to for support because everyone knows he is inept, abusive, disloyal and corrupt in his actions.Just wondering how an ASAC that commits such a heinous violation that it catches him 45 days, is still an ASAC at all.

The gene pool is not that small !!

From the outside, looking in, it appears like an ego trip for the manager. There is NO business reason that this manager could justify having an "inappropriate" relationship with a subordinate. If I was on the support staff, I would not want to work with such a person. He has disrespected ATF, his staff and himself. He should not supervise anyone.

ATF had better re-think how to handle this type of behavior by managers. ATF Legal Counsel could be setting themselves up for future EEO sexual harassment/hostile environment complaints! They cannot deny that this manager has a propensity to abuse his position or the people he supervises.

[Doc Holiday]

I personally think its karma at its best. A manager who is responsible for so much destruction of a field division now is reeping what he has sown. Problem is, he now has no one to turn to for support because everyone knows he is inept, abusive, disloyal and corrupt in his actions.Just wondering how an ASAC that commits such a heinous violation that it catches him 45 days, is still an ASAC at all.

[Thor God of Thunder]

GG is very well on his way to becoming a DAD or AD. They will take care of him in the end. They may give him days off with all of the on the weekend so that he does not lose any pay. I have not had any scandals that come close to this crap and they will not promote me. This is how this agency works turds float to the top!

[Valkyrie]

1Desertrat, you are bang on target. I am tired of all the talk about integrity and accountability in ATF - there is a draft "leadership philosophy statement" floating around 99 New York and a bunch of divisions which one can guess is supposed to become part of the management mantra. Lots of us have seen this (the bosses sent it around to get comments) and it is a joke. Really pretty words that most of our "leaders" ignore. God forbid anyone wants to speak up to Ken Melson or other HBOs, unless you want a few cc's of retaliation injected somewhere painful. How about this Ken: 1. Don't lie 2. Don't cheat 3. Don't steal 4. Don't have sexual relations with subordinates 5. Integrity isn't a word it's a way of life 6. The higher you are the cleaner you need to be Everyone makes mistakes, but there are just too many people at the GS-15 and above level who think they're above the law, and they continue to get away with it. My money says you need to be more accountable and not less as you move up, but that is lost on Billy Hoover, Mark Chait, Kelvin Crenshaw, Edgar Domenech, Matt Horace, John Torres, Vanessa McLemore, Virginia O'Brien, Eleanor Loos....the list is to long to put here but we ALL know it. As for Gillette, he is a repeat offender and he should get shown the door. No way it will happen but just saying.

[1desertrat]

All eyes in the Phoenix Division are anxiously focused on ASAC George Gillett as he allegedly awaits disciplinary action concerning an "inappropriate" relationship with a subordinate while he was RAIC in Los Angeles. Word on the street is that he is expecting a 45 day "rip". Although most would agree that a supervisor who abuses his position of authority to engage in sexual predatory activities warrants serious attention. We all know that if an Agent engaged in activities (for example, like having sex on his office desk with a subordinate) determined to be "conduct unbecoming of an Agent" he would be looking for a new job. The burning question is, how does someone under an OPR investigation for years get promoted along to ASAC? The even bigger question is, WHO has covered this up and protected him for years as he continued with his promotions? Is this not a integrity issue for Giglio and Henthorn reporting? Last I checked we all had places on our evaluations for integrity and good judgement. I think all need to be watching this situation very closely to see if the "duel standard" is once again applied for an ATF manager. Will Gillett be the next highly paid "Special Assistant to the Director"? If ANY disciplinary action is taken how could ATF possibly keep someone like this in ANY management position. To do so, would be another sad commentary as to the character and integrity of our ATF leadership.