When is enough enough?
#1
Posted 10 November 2010 - 09:22 AM
#2 Guest_microscope_*
Posted 08 November 2010 - 02:36 PM
Very well stated Snake bite. This is awesome. It would have made me laugh if it were not so true.Doc,
If history is any indicator, the SES gang will rally around the offending manipulating, self serving SES member. After time passes the offending SES member will get promoted and hang on with ATF until an overpaying post retirement ATF contractor job becomes available. The offending SES member will appoint himself to the high paying contractor job and then sue ATF for forcing him to retire. ATF will settle with the retired SES gang member for a gross amount of taxpayer money and give him a pay raise in his improperly obtained contractor position.
Now, if the offending ATF Agent was a Grade 13 and committed the same acts as the offending SES gang member, the Grade 13 would be placed on Administrative Leave for a couple months while IA “investigated” the allegations. After a couple months the Grade 13’s ASAC or SAC would talk to his fellow SES gang members on the PRB and tell them that no matter what, ATF needs to fire this rouge agent. The corrupted PRB would pretend to have a real hearing and come to a predetermined decision to fire the rouge agent. The offending Grade 13 would be fired and the SAC and ASAC who had the improper discussion with the PRB would be heralded a “rising star” within the SES gang. All of the other SES gang members would tell the latest acting ATF Director, or whatever they call it now, what a great manager the corrupt SAC and ASAC are and how they handle their underlings in proper SES gang fashion. As a result, the latest acting Director, who merely gives lip service about doing the right thing, promotes the SAC or ASAC to another position where he/she can breed, or actually inbreed more corruption into this agency.
The above is simply my perception of how ATF management would handle the incident in each scenario.
In this agency there are very few SES gang members who are honorable, honest and have the backbone to stand up and do what is right for the greater good. I know there are some great leaders within this agency, because I have worked for a few. The problem is I have not had the fortune to have worked for one for a long time.
This agency is falling apart. ATF is only hiring 77 positions in 2011. Each of the new additions will be selected from the secret minority only hiring list submitted by the SAC’s. I don’t have a problem with all of the new hires being hired from this minority only list as long as they are the most qualified. From the names I know were submitted, that is not the case. So, in ten years there will be a new “Black Agent’s” law suit and if this agency is fortunate enough to still be around these 77 new hires will get a huge settlement from ATF and each will be given a spot within the SES gang.
The future is not so bright!
Snake bite out-
#3
Posted 08 November 2010 - 08:52 AM
#4
Posted 08 November 2010 - 07:59 AM
If history is any indicator, the SES gang will rally around the offending manipulating, self serving SES member. After time passes the offending SES member will get promoted and hang on with ATF until an overpaying post retirement ATF contractor job becomes available. The offending SES member will appoint himself to the high paying contractor job and then sue ATF for forcing him to retire. ATF will settle with the retired SES gang member for a gross amount of taxpayer money and give him a pay raise in his improperly obtained contractor position.
Now, if the offending ATF Agent was a Grade 13 and committed the same acts as the offending SES gang member, the Grade 13 would be placed on Administrative Leave for a couple months while IA “investigated” the allegations. After a couple months the Grade 13’s ASAC or SAC would talk to his fellow SES gang members on the PRB and tell them that no matter what, ATF needs to fire this rouge agent. The corrupted PRB would pretend to have a real hearing and come to a predetermined decision to fire the rouge agent. The offending Grade 13 would be fired and the SAC and ASAC who had the improper discussion with the PRB would be heralded a “rising star” within the SES gang. All of the other SES gang members would tell the latest acting ATF Director, or whatever they call it now, what a great manager the corrupt SAC and ASAC are and how they handle their underlings in proper SES gang fashion. As a result, the latest acting Director, who merely gives lip service about doing the right thing, promotes the SAC or ASAC to another position where he/she can breed, or actually inbreed more corruption into this agency.
The above is simply my perception of how ATF management would handle the incident in each scenario.
In this agency there are very few SES gang members who are honorable, honest and have the backbone to stand up and do what is right for the greater good. I know there are some great leaders within this agency, because I have worked for a few. The problem is I have not had the fortune to have worked for one for a long time.
This agency is falling apart. ATF is only hiring 77 positions in 2011. Each of the new additions will be selected from the secret minority only hiring list submitted by the SAC’s. I don’t have a problem with all of the new hires being hired from this minority only list as long as they are the most qualified. From the names I know were submitted, that is not the case. So, in ten years there will be a new “Black Agent’s” law suit and if this agency is fortunate enough to still be around these 77 new hires will get a huge settlement from ATF and each will be given a spot within the SES gang.
The future is not so bright!
Snake bite out-
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Posted 07 November 2010 - 09:10 AM
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Posted 01 November 2010 - 04:35 PM
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Posted 30 October 2010 - 07:27 PM
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Posted 30 October 2010 - 09:52 AM
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Posted 17 October 2010 - 07:20 AM
#10
Posted 16 October 2010 - 05:30 PM
Take your pick, there is no shortage of "suspects." This agency is hampered by Empty Suits who are intimidated by real agents. The SES cadre has probably run 500 investigations against agents combined, compared to two or three real criminal cases among all of them. They went into management as fast as possible because they couldn't hack working cases against bad ass criminals, so now, to prove their collective manhood, they go after agents and hide behind directives, policies and Eleanor Loos.
Let's start a list of GS-15's about whom you'd be confident when knocking down a door on a warrant. Bet you couldn't come up with more than two or three names.
True that. One fine example( I have dozens mind you) would be the following and it illustrates ATF managements cowardice:
ATF agents are called out to a bomb scene a few years ago. Very gruesome and people had died as a result of the explosion. Well as usual ATF agents appeared on the scene and began processing it helping the local LEO's. ATF Agents crawling on our hands and knees looking for evidence and collecting body parts. (Pieces of both were were everywhere.) Agents covered with blood from head to toe from collecting the evidence for 2 1/2 days. And the scene starts to smell pretty bad because of the decomposition of bodies. Well, back at Division Mr. ASAC, who was watching Judge Judy on his new flat screen in his office, hears that there are news cameras showing up at the scene and rushes down there. ( He is known as "Casper the ghost" because he is afraid of his own reflection) He barges in on the bombing scene looks around, sees the blood everywhere, holds his nose then runs away never to be seen again. Agents keep working the scene the rest of the week.
He is now a SAC
Thanks for your support ATF management!!!
#11
Posted 16 October 2010 - 03:40 PM
Take your pick, there is no shortage of "suspects." This agency is hampered by Empty Suits who are intimidated by real agents. The SES cadre has probably run 500 investigations against agents combined, compared to two or three real criminal cases among all of them. They went into management as fast as possible because they couldn't hack working cases against bad ass criminals, so now, to prove their collective manhood, they go after agents and hide behind directives, policies and Eleanor Loos.What executive with an inferiority complex made that decision?
Let's start a list of GS-15's about whom you'd be confident when knocking down a door on a warrant. Bet you couldn't come up with more than two or three names.
#12
Posted 16 October 2010 - 01:04 PM
When I signed up I said I was good for one posting. This is my second or third. Reading this morning’s updates I had to get back in. These are some of the Twitter “tweets” from Jay’s performance in Boston:Dobyns is a speaker for Special Forces Units at Ft. Bragg, Fortune 500 companies and everyone in between but he is not allowed to present at FLETC? Just found about that one. What executive with an inferiority complex made that decision?
“@kellythul Jay Dobyns speaking. He is big. He is bad. I will have nothing but good things to tweet”
“@benklieyson No Angel writer just took the stage. Can’t tweet, got to listen, too good to miss”
“@kasteering “laugh and smile everyday” if he can do it why can’t we?”
“@kasteering “God on one hip a pistol on the other”
“@kasteering “have your wife start the car” great stuff. Need to read his book.
“@alsenese a compelling story told with heart and humanity.”
“@LisaFish 700 on the edge of their seat right now”
“@Tfister not a dry eye in the house, including mine.”
“@simonson More tissues please!!!”
“@abyeatta Jay Dobyns No Angel author owns this place right now!”
“@lazobrien Cant wait to go hug my kids”
“@finestamo the heck with Ashton and Demi more Dobyns’
“@sauld Really moved by Jay Dobyns talk at the Client Summit this morning”
“@RonLabau Speakers today are of extremely high quality. mike boylson had to go after jay dobyns, poor guy.”
“@TeresaCaro jay dobyns: great parents create good kids who create good kids. Words to live by.”
“@debpasquale All I can say about Jay Dobyns is WOW. Google him. Read 'No Angel'.”
“@stevedawson Jay Dobyns is officially a badass”
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Posted 16 October 2010 - 11:21 AM
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