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[Doc Holiday]

Banned, I will do some asking around and get back to you.

A little birdie has told Madea that a retired AD is currently a contractor for the agency. The little birdie told Madea that this contractor is doing background investigations while he is receiving a full SES retirement package. Can anyone confirm if John Malone is indeed working in such a contract position? If this is so, John Malone needs to face the shame of continuing to sit at the government trough.

John, are you not receiving enough money in your retirement? If this is true John, do you realize that you are taking a job that should be going to a returning veteran? Again I ask, is there no level of shame that you people cannot endure?

Also, if anyone knows of other retired SES managers who continue to feed at the public trough, please call them out. If this is true about John Malone, I believe it’s appropriate to identify this problem by contacting congressional members.

[Iceman]

I'm not in the Reno Office.

So did you take them up on their offer to transfer you?

[retired1811]

So did you take them up on their offer to transfer you?

[Iceman]

The San Francisco Field management staff sat by while false (Proven false by ATF Internal Affairs investigation) allegations were made by the U.S. Attorneys Office regarding our Reno agents. Then the U.S. Atty contacted local law enforcement leadership and ground whatever axe they were grinding further and now The D.A. is tainted as well. What did Mr. Turk, Brandon and Jones do? NOTHING. Pulled Herkins and of course promoted him. Advised the staff that it is an election year and they didn't want to get in a fight with the U.S. Atty in an election year and offered EVERY employee in Reno a PAID PCS move to their office of preference. THAT'S our leadership. Reno has been one of the MOST productive offices in the SFFD. Our reputation has been tanked WITHOUT so much as a challenge. GO ALONG TO GET ALONG. Both ASACs who watched and mismanaged this whole process are still in place. Now a HUGE ATF Office will have a skeleton crew and its all based on unfounded and fabricated allegations. Why has the Atty. Generals Office of Professional Responsibility NOT come in to investigate? About a million Dollars of tax payers dollars GONE.

Ok, Madea thinks she needs to point something out. For those of you who are living on the banks of the river of DENIAL, a RIF is a reduction in force. A RIF does not mean the government finds a new home for you. In a RIF, the government sends you to the county home for children and you wait for a family to come and get you. Some of you believe that in a RIF, you will sit at your desk with your suitcase and iphone, and someone nice from another agency will claim you. That is not necessarily true. Again, I received two RIF notices. There was nothing in the pink envelope telling me where to report for my new position. You probably know that ATF was to merge with the Secret Service. Throw some cold water on your faces and wake up. ATF was in the Dept of Treasury back then. There was no Waco, no F&F, just a bad economy. At the time Bob Sanders was the Deputy Director. He was responsible for working with Treasury to put ATF as a separate division of the Secret Service. Sanders was a leader. He fought for his agency.

Now look at your current situation. See anybody fighting for you? Quite the opposite. Here at CleanUp we have been notified of multiple offices and individual agents under attack by a U.S. Attorney’s office. Pretty much all of the agents have been falsely accused of lying. Do you think B. Todd will pick up his limited addition Elmer Fudd iphone to save your job? He’s already made it very clear that he doesn’t even like you. If you had a real leader, you wouldn’t have to be as worried. However, you have to rely on Tom Brandon picking up his limited addition Barbie iphone and starting to lobby to save this agency. From where Madea sits, it looks like Tom is running this agency like a little girl. He has shown no leadership. He has told you everything he thought you wanted to hear and delivered on none of it.

Tom, please don’t take the coward’s way out and point to everyone else. And folks, as I have said repeatedly, don’t expect any better results that what you see in the Detroit office. Tom was typical of the leadership in this city. A city that’s in such ruin that a FEMA camp would be an upgrade for the residents.

For those of you who can’t pull the retirement lever yet, you need to fight for this agency. No one else is.

[Patriot]

Again Vince you have stellar insight into our future. As we near the election the AG will step down and take some heat away from the Administration. B. Todd will make the big political move to DC and you can be sure that his leadership at ATF will be part of his highlight reel. He will hold the fate of ATF in his hand in a much bigger way and his vision of a Violent Crime Bureau will grow legs. That is why he is all about the future. It is all very sad, but telling. It is about political survival and not mission. If there was any concern about our mission, then leadership would strive to keep the experienced agent workforce, rather than drive them out. The rhetoric coming from Jones gives me a headache.

[VINCENT A CEFALU]

Mr. Jones is outta here in a few months. Do you think he cares? Mr. Brandon is not far behind him depending on how the political winds blow.There's a reason we have no 1 year, 2 year or 5 year plan. Vegas is giving odds we won't exist as the " Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives" in ONE year. This Boom, Bang and Burn catch phrase is not just a catchy phrase. They are test driving the "Violent Crime Bureau" of the DOJ.They do NOT get it. They do NOT understand that NOBODY can do what ATF Agents do. As a watered down subordinate agency hidden within the massive DOJ or Homeland Security, so will go the aggressive dynamic investigations that have been the trademark of ATF.So will go the second amendment hidden within the Bureaucracy.

Look to the future? What future? Without significant changes, isn't the future just more of the past. How do they not see that?

[Patriot]

Look to the future? What future? Without significant changes, isn't the future just more of the past. How do they not see that?

[Doc Holiday]

Suggestion to posters on CUATF, JUST a suggestion.
The issues and potential solutions identified during the FAAP (Field Agent Advisory Program)have been posted to ATF employees. These are very sensitive, and critical to the survival of this Agency. We hope that all will show restraint in posting the particulars as the information is embarrassing and our potential enemy's inside the industry and out, ie. FBI will undoubtedly use the information against us. We should speak in general terms but keep the specifics in house until we know if its just smoke and mirrors. Thus far, the FAAP hit the nail(s) on the head. And remember, these are guys and gals HQ approved. THEY DID A GREAT JOB

[Doc Holiday]

This is EXACTLY why Ms. Torres and OPSROs answer cannot stand and there MUST be some sort of oversight of the process. Notice sworn to and under penalty of perjury...........SEE ATTACHMENT

Ok folks, I think we should follow this through to the end. So you find new evidence that clears you and the BDO has already made their decision. OPRSO says there is no mechanism in place to reinvestigate based on new evidence and they will not reconsider that they could be wrong. According to the OPRSO, at this point it is just too bad and your only option is to appeal by going to the MSPB. OPRSO expects you to take this new evidence that their crack investigators missed or just didn’t want to find, to a judge. And for the employees who are fired, who cares how you are going to pay for it. Remember Eleanor bragging that she could drag your litigation out for 3-5 years? So now we have yet another piece of the puzzle. We’ve got botched investigations by I.A. “investigators”, no mechanism in place to correct that “investigation”, a BDO that in the past would not accept additional evidence (right Elaine?), and the OCC poised behind job security by dragging out litigation. Now, after the 3-5 years of playing with the ATF “attorneys”, let’s say you win. Thanks to this “policy” of OPRSO, now the American taxpayer is getting out the checkbook that ATF management believes has no limit for abuse.

Here’s a real example of this INSANE policy. One whistleblower who won received $350,000 in his attorney fees for an MSPB hearing. Was that a good business decision Tom? How many agents have had to take out second mortgages to pay their attorney? This all makes sense to the OPRSO, trust me, there was a very heated argument just this week that this policy made no sense when you have the opportunity to look at new evidence and clear the charges based on that new evidence rather than going through years of litigation and paying out damages. But Tom, according to the OPRSO, this is your policy and it’s been like that forever. We think it’s time for a change and maybe you can explain to OPRSO why this change needs to be made.

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