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[ProConfesso]

Trivial gripe. SOP to know where your at. Better than the now retired G/S who wouldn't allow SA's to leave the office. He would keep them busy with such tasks as cleaning computer screens.

[Right_of_the_Line]

I totally agree with your gripe about roll call. I've been getting blisters from texting in 10-8 on my iPhone to the group.

[Patriot]

Sounds like some real people skills there. Way to go, embarrass a father in front of his son. Put the agent in a position to have to tell the son how his boss is a complete jerk. If he has kids they probably don't like him either. The real problem is that he sounds like a guy who defines himself by his title. A guy who expects that the title commands respect. Another SAC comes to mind when I say that. Well your SAC really exhibited his authority there, now everyone will know he is the boss. Managers like that are rampant in this agency. I am not surprised that he thinks purely in numbers, i.e. 4 cases per agent nonsense. Someone please figure out a better accounting of productivity. Here's a thought, how about we hold SACs responsible for making a difference in the communities they are responsible for. Lower the crime rate or the incidence of gun violence and you keep your job. Fail and step down. SACs should not be allowed to coast, like a tenured professor. There is a place for road kill cases, but they should be very selective and only one agent should be doing them. Problem is, that the recent culture has fostered a whole bunch of agents incapable of conducting a real investigation. It all started with automatic 13's and allowing agents to apply for supervision after 1 year in grade. Actually it might have been earlier after the lawsuit that made it impossible to hold anyone accountable for fear of being called a racist. It's funny that every time I get into this subject, I can't help but think of Mr. Jones' wisdom, don't look back. If only I could heed that crappy advise, I would be a happier guy. Sorry everyone, this was just a morning rant.

[nylawman]

its too bad that a sac like this has taken over the field division. morale was getting better under ron turk and things were going in a positive direction. all the sac wants to do is suck up to nypd and have more task force officers so they can get overtime and travel money. i don't think he gets it...over 40,000 nypd sworn officers and 30 atf agents in the city...do the math...now everyone has to call in.....if you have people not doing the job punish them and leave the workers alone...now he wants 4 cases per agent per year... that's 4 road kills....an intern can do that.. this goes to show you that in atf the people are promoted for all the wrong reasons and once they get to be in power they can ruin a field division...i agree with the other member..people that have nothing in there career...become the worst boss.....its sad.....lets see how long he lasts...

[SLEEPLESS IN NEW YORK]

I must be completely off base. Sorry. Oh, wait. I don’t think so. This guy is the gift that keeps on giving. Rumor has it that agent brings his son to the range to observe. Son is working on a report for school. Agent thought that letting son observe would help him with his school report. FIC didn’t mind and gave the agent the okay. SAC Joey goes to this particular range day and ends up kicking the agent and son off the range, SAC won’t allow agents son to observe or the agent to qualify. I mean really? Kick the agent off the range, don’t let the kid observe, send the agent home? Really? You can’t make this shit up. Not to mention that there are people always observing the range at this location because of the way its set up. That’s a guy really looking out for his agents. Great guy to work for. Another great move for SAC Joey in the morale front. Meanwhile it’s okay that we allow interns, AUSA's, congressional staffers and other special interests on our ranges all the time but we can’t allow a kid working on a project to observe us shoot. What a crock. SAC has told us he has aspirations of moving further up the chain. Fancies himself as a DAD in the near future. Hopefully, HQ will make him a "special assistant" or give him once of those special projects to work on so he won’t be supervising anyone. He wants to hold us agents “accountable” well we are going to hold him accountable too. Accountability goes both ways. Thanks for outing yourself not sleepless as the one suck ass in the division. Your the only one who has come out of his office with a smile on their face and great things to say about his leadership to date.

[Notsleepless in NY]

I currently work for the SAC of NY and I have to tell you that he is a standup guy. It's tuff when a boss has work ethics and he expects you to actually work. Stop whinning and be a street agent and earn your paycheck. I know its hard getting to work by 10ish, then working out at the gym for 2 hours, then going to lunch but try to fit in work in the 10 hours you put in your webta!

[ARMALITE]

I have worked for the SAC of NY many times over the years. He is one of the few supervisors who looks out for the agents first. He was always accessible day or night. As we all know there are agents that think checking their email is their job. So a SAC tells the troops to go to work and some agents get their feelings hurt. Go out and make cases that is what ATF Agents do best.

[Doc Holiday]

McMahon, and Hoover et al apathetic, derelict conduct deserves serious consequences lest we repeat this debacle and send a message to ALL managers, "Don't worry, you'll be fine no matter how bad you perform your duties". It's that simple. As for SAC Joey, I highly suggest the NY field Agents, collectively approach your FAAP Reps, the Ombudsman or files WB complaints with the Office of Special Counsel before this gets out of hand AGAIN. Gross mismanagement impacting public safety, ie DON'T do your job, falls under the OSC jurisdiction. I would HIGHLY recommend, you take ONE shot at handling it in house first.

[ProConfesso]

Looks like McMahon won’t be coming back to New York after all, at least as an ATF agent. Too bad because Bill was a good guy, easy boss to work for and never looked to hurt anyone. From reading the report it looks like Newell was manipulating him real good. We could have told you that he’d rubber stamp everything and never read anything.

No surprises there. You didn’t need a Congressional investigation to find this out. I predicate that as an SES he will be allowed to quietly retire with no accountability for lying to Congress. He’ll also get his SES last move to anywhere.



<B>From the recently released Congressional report:<BR style="mso-special-character: line-break"><BR style="mso-special-character: line-break"></B>

“Deputy Assistant Director for Field Operations William McMahon

FINDING: Rubber stamp signatures and false denials:
Though he served as the crucial link between ATF headquarters and the Phoenix Field Division, Bill McMahon admittedly rubber stamped critical documents that came across his desk without reading them.. In McMahon’s view, it was not his job to ask any questions about what was going on in the field. McMahon gave false testimony to Congress about signing applications for wiretap intercepts in Fast and Furious.”

That was sarcasm. You can add clueless to sleepless

[SLEEPLESS IN NEW YORK]

Patroit-
Thank you for your expression of sympathy. What division? By your pseudonym I'm going to guess the division covering the six New Engalnd states?

I know it is little comfort to tell you that you are not alone. You have a SAC that is clueless, we have a SAC that is non existent. He shows up occasionally, sits in his office all day without any meaningfull contact with anyone to include his ASACs and then disappears. The Division is run by the admin staff. In my view it all amounts to larceny of a paycheck, but I prefer that over what you have to deal with. Condolences to the NYFD.

[SLEEPLESS IN NEW YORK]

Looks like McMahon won’t be coming back to New York after all, at least as an ATF agent. Too bad because Bill was a good guy, easy boss to work for and never looked to hurt anyone. From reading the report it looks like Newell was manipulating him real good. We could have told you that he’d rubber stamp everything and never read anything.

No surprises there. You didn’t need a Congressional investigation to find this out. I predicate that as an SES he will be allowed to quietly retire with no accountability for lying to Congress. He’ll also get his SES last move to anywhere.



<B>From the recently released Congressional report:<BR style="mso-special-character: line-break"><BR style="mso-special-character: line-break"></B>

“Deputy Assistant Director for Field Operations William McMahon

FINDING: Rubber stamp signatures and false denials:
Though he served as the crucial link between ATF headquarters and the Phoenix Field Division, Bill McMahon admittedly rubber stamped critical documents that came across his desk without reading them.. In McMahon’s view, it was not his job to ask any questions about what was going on in the field. McMahon gave false testimony to Congress about signing applications for wiretap intercepts in Fast and Furious.”

[Patriot]

I know it is little comfort to tell you that you are not alone. You have a SAC that is clueless, we have a SAC that is non existent. He shows up occasionally, sits in his office all day without any meaningfull contact with anyone to include his ASACs and then disappears. The Division is run by the admin staff. In my view it all amounts to larceny of a paycheck, but I prefer that over what you have to deal with. Condolences to the NYFD.

[ProConfesso]

Dear Sleepless: If you are in the BX go out to Waters Avenue and look west. Can you see the House of Calvery? ATF is a hospice patient. It has the half-life of a caesium atom so it will be long and cruel. Better, if you are in Bklyn, go out to the parking lot and gaze into Lady Liberty's eyes and discover the truth and devise your exit strategy. Your have worked yourself up into a unecessary tizzy. This script has repeatedly played countless times. Almost like a well-worn DVD of your favorite movie. He follows in a long line of SACS of no consequence in NY. Not since Charlie Thomson was their any camaraderie and morale in the NYFD. Why do you care about the ASACS, RAC and front ofice staff? They're basting in their own juices. And as for the VI, look around you. Red Hook Bklyn is a pretty suave place these days and be fortunate YOU don't have to be in RedHook, St. Thomas if you don't want to - a very scary place indeed at night.
Now some parting lines from your nom de guerre :
Doctor Marcia Fieldstone: What are you going to do?
Sam Baldwin: Well, I'm gonna get out of bed every morning... breathe in and out all day long. Then, after a while I won't have to remind myself to get out of bed every morning and breathe in and out... and, then after a while, I won't have to think about how I had it great and perfect for a while.
P.S. Maybe Mac will come back to straighten this all out

[SLEEPLESS IN NEW YORK]

What is the deal with this new SAC in New York? How did Miami or Phoenix ever survive with him as an ASAC? What an idiot he has turned out to be. We all thought he was going to be okay because he is a New York guy but this guy is worse than Egar was and that takes some doing. First, he starts bad mouthing Ron Turk's leadership of the division and all the mistakes he made over the years and then comes up with with all these great ideas like daily roll call, weekly activity reports, monthly case counting. Quirky sayings like "stay in the fight", "one team one fight", goes around in group meetings telling us what shity agents we have been and how he is going to fix us and make us into being more productive and effective agents. He tells everyone in the division that all we need to do is put in four (4) blue covers a year and the division wont bother you. Well I can tell you that is all this jerk is going to get out of me. 4 adopted cases, period. No one in the division or division office is happy, one RAC even retired because he didnt want to deal with thise guys bull shit anymore. The SAC runs around all day long spouting off all these great ideas that he wants to do that are completely off the wall and crazy. He doesnt listen or take advice from anyone. The ASAC doesnt ever know what this guy is thinking or doing. He doesnt commuicate with anyone. We have no odea what is going on. You cant get a straight answer out of the guy on anything. Listening to him talk sounds like PGA has giving him talking points that he just keeps saying over and over. Doesnt seem like he has ever had an independant thought in his life.

Word filtering down from upstate is that in a recent group meeting he told Will Clark and the others in his field office that they are going to have to get over the fact that ATF is putting agents back in the Virgin Islands. What a crock of shit. So much for supporting your agents. Get over the fact that Will was tried for murder and still faces a civil trial in the VI. Any agent who goes back to the VI after what they put Will Clark through is crazy.

SAC tells another group in a meeting that he wants to get out of the business of doing search warrants just for the sake of getting evidence because search warrants are dangerous. What? Are you kidding me? Never seen or heard anything like this in my 20 years. Telling agents not to work, not to do search warrants, but then having the balls to make us do 4 blue jackets. Same goes for buy busts because those type of operations are also risky and dangerous. What is this guy smoking. I thought ATF was supposed to be America's street cops? Thats why I signed on with this outfit because you would be doing search warrants and buy busts. Just when you thought your morale couldnt go any lower Joey suprises you that it in fact can get ever lower.

See what happens when you take a guy who never did anything as an agent, becomes a RAC and is in charge of a group that does nothing but VCC and adopted cases. How he became an ASAC is beyond us. Oh, yeah, thats right, he was willing to move and no one else put in for the job. Are'nt we lucky that government buy outs, retirements and fast and furious happens so he can become an SES an wreck an entire field division. Unfortunatley, this is an all to frequent occurance within ATF.

Speak up you other New York agents and support staff. Tell them whats going on so we can expose this guy for the fraud he is.

If guys like this are getting SES jobs then our bench is really, really weak. This agency is in more trouble than I thought. Maybe taking some outside SES'ers who actually know a little something about running a federal law enforcement agency field divsion would help turn the ship around.

Please Jones, Brandon,Turk, anyone, HELP US. This guy is killing the division and our agency. Make him one of these SES'ers that you've burried and hidden in a BS job with no one to supervise.