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#1 ProConfesso

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 09:42 AM

News Flash. Chief Counsels Office is corrupt. Hundreds of examples, if not thousands, of some the most dirty unethical legal play ever. They conduct government business just like the worst defense attoneys, worse actually because they hide behind the smoke screen that they are righteous and serve justice. Its all coming out and they can't contain it anymore. Lots of huge problems here and hiding them and waiting for them to go away isn't going to work this time.


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I'll reiterate a previous comment. When will someone, past or present, from CCO, expose the machinations and speak out.
Audit their files. Call your Congressman and ask them to request a GAO audit.

#2 Jay A. Dobyns

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 12:27 AM

News Flash. Chief Counsels Office is corrupt. Hundreds of examples, if not thousands, of some the most dirty unethical legal play ever. They conduct government business just like the worst defense attoneys, worse actually because they hide behind the smoke screen that they are righteous and serve justice. Its all coming out and they can't contain it anymore. Lots of huge problems here and hiding them and waiting for them to go away isn't going to work this time.

#3 VINCENT A CEFALU

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 09:49 AM

YOU DECIDE........................

Chief Counsel’s Office still calling shots at ATF despite report, source alleges

By: David Codrea

ATF's Brandon: What has he actually done with 'Quick Hits' report? What will Chief Counsel let him do? And will Issa make it a point to find out?


Crediting Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives Deputy Director Thomas E. Brandon for a problems analysis summary is not justified, an insider source told Gun Rights Examiner yesterday. The “Quick Hits” report admitting to retaliation and ethical violations by the Chief Counsel’s Office was the result of a Field Agent Advisory Panel, and Brandon’s role was not to direct or participate in the document’s development, but simply to receive it after it had been prepared.
“The question should be, ‘what has he done with it since he got it?’” the source continued. “To my knowledge, not much of anything.”
Adding to concerns over inappropriate and problematic influence by the Chief Counsel’s Office over day-to-day operations and management decisions, another allegation corroborates concerns that nothing is or will be changed under the caretaker stewardship on behalf of the Holder Justice Department by Acting Director B. Todd Jones.
“After the issues detailed by the FAAP were first posted on the intranet homepage - they were quickly taken down by order of the Chief Counsel's Office,” the source maintained, citing retaliations that have occurred since Brandon was presented with that document.
“DOJ runs ATF through B. Todd and don't mistake for a second that Brandon is second-in-command,” the source continued. “He answers to Greg Serres [Deputy Chief Counsel] who is always at BTJ's side.
“Don't give agents and people hope where there is none,” the source cautioned. “Management has heard all those ‘Quick Hits’ before. They didn't do anything about it then and haven't this time around either.”
Whether Darrell Issa and the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform will investigate the report’s observations of undue influence and ethical violations, whether they will raise this as an important issue with the Inspector General and whether it will figure prominently in the long-anticipated OIG report on Operation Fast and Furious, and whether they will do anything to introduce new hope and bring the Chief Counsel’s Office to account remains to be seen.
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Posted 04 September 2012 - 07:56 PM

I have been a member of CleanupATF.org since I first learned of the site. I found some sort of unusual comfort knowing that ATF employees throughout the Country were dealing with the same sort of attacks and tactics that I have observed and endured at the hands of ATF management. My question is, has anyone experienced a positive change in the work place environment since cleanupATF.org went public?

I personally can say that I have experienced some of the faces changing, but the same double standard, mismanagement culture is alive and well. Retaliation and unfair treatment has continued within the management sub culture in our once great, widely respected agency, without any consequences to those in the GS 14 and above gang.

Keep fighting and don't let the bastards get you down.

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#5 VINCENT A CEFALU

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Posted 02 September 2012 - 10:07 AM

As matter of protocol within the Northern Judicial District of California, AND at the insistence of the U.S. District Court Judge presiding over my civil suit against Eric Holder/ATF et al. we will be attending formal mediation in San Francisco, Ca. On September 28th. We ALL know exactly what this means. There is always of course the tried and true Jay Dobyns version of ATF mediation, "QUIT or be FIRED". We will see. These proceedings are confidential so I will NOT be able to inform the field, but you are really really smart people. It IS however VERY telling that the assigned Assistant United States Attorney insisted that he be allowed to depose me AGAIN, for the 3rd time, one week prior to the mediation but is clearly stonewalling my deposition of Mc Mahon prior to the same mediation. Do not try to apply logic or integrity to this information, ( Our CURRENT leadership does not measure our successes by ethics OR integrity) just take these facts and do with them as you choose.Semper Fidelis, Vince
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Posted 14 August 2012 - 11:02 AM

Actually, IF it is so ordered that the "facility" post this notification, the hearing has been held and a formal finding passed down and ATF either appealed and lost or Just complied. This means WHICHEVER manager was found to have discriminated should have been immediately terminated PER ATF POLICY, FIRST OFFENSE. But hey, John Torres is still here right?

Thank you ProConfesso. That includes citing/posting her position? I guess with it being a requirement it could be looked at 2 ways. Others could target her or they could back off. I hope the 2nd one is more applicable.


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Posted 13 August 2012 - 03:43 PM

Vince, the Complaint filed today clearly states that they (the Committee on Oversight and Reform) absolutely attempted to "go criminal", however, the U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia, Ronald C. Machen, a lifelong Dimocrat and Obama appointee, simply ignored repeated Congressional correspondence (including a June 29, 2012 formal letter from Sen, Grassley) demanding that the case be brought before a Grand Jury, as expressly required pursuant to 2 U.S.C. § 194.

After additional stonewalling, DOJ stooge Deputy Attorney General Cole (aka: "Holder's Bitch") responded "on Machen's behalf", as follows:

“[Mr. Machen] has asked that I convey to you his concurrence with the position” that no criminal prosecution against the Attorney General would be pursued."

When pressed by the General Counsel of the House, Machen eventually responded that he would simply refuse to comply with the federal law requiring him to bring the matter before a grand jury, without the slightest attempt at a legal justification.

So, in this face of this absurd circle jerk by this unbeliveably lawless and corrupt regime and its lackeys such as Cole and Machen, there is no viable way for Congress to advance a criminal case. If the relevent U.S. Attorney is a corrupt political hack (which seems to be a common thread, no?), a civil suit is the only real option.

I would argue that the Obama regime, it's Department of Injustice, Attorney General Eric With-Holder, most of his senior staff, and the U.S. Attorneys who are assisting them to obstruct justice and lie to the American people, are the most despicably, arrogantly and egregiously lawless pack of criminals ever to hold high offices in the history of our once great Republic. The American people should be demanding Barrack Obama's impeachment, and the criminal prosecution of Holder and all of his senior staff, for felony perjury, obstruction of justice, suborning of perjury, et al. And one of the first acts of the incoming Republican Administration should be to fire and possibly even prosecute Ronald Machen for obstruction of justice, deriliction of duty, and knowingly violating the law (2 U.S.C. § 194).

Incidentally, did you know that Barrack Obama's totally bogus claim of "Executive Privilege" was not signed by him (it was signed by Holder), as specifically required in order to be valid? No existing law or precedent allows an underling to sign such a document on behalf of the President. Once again these people urinate on the rule of law and the Constitution.

It may be time to move to New Zealand.

Wish they would have gone criminal instead of civil.



#8 VINCENT A CEFALU

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 01:19 PM

The question is, does he now suffer the EXACT same expenses, including legal fees, loss of wages, repeated abuse, his kids and family and friends suffering, or do the taxpayers get to defend him? Hope he gets EXACTLY what the rest of us got under his "leadership". Wish they would have gone criminal instead of civil.

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 01:05 PM

Thank you ProConfesso. That includes citing/posting her position? I guess with it being a requirement it could be looked at 2 ways. Others could target her or they could back off. I hope the 2nd one is more applicable.

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 12:08 PM

You may be misinterpreting this. The EEOC will sometimes (always?) order a posting of a decision when the Agency is found to have discriminated. It appears that this is the case from what you describe. The Agency may have been found to have been wrong and this is part of the remedy ordered by the EEOC decision. See this e.g. from a past decision:

"POSTING ORDER (G0900)

The agency is ordered to post at its Dallas Veterans Affairs Medical Center facility copies of the attached notice. Copies of the notice, after being signed by the agency's duly authorized representative, shall be posted by the agency within thirty (30) calendar days of the date this decision becomes final, and shall remain posted for sixty (60) consecutive days, in conspicuous places, including all places where notices to employees are customarily posted. The agency shall take reasonable steps to ensure that said notices are not altered, defaced, or covered by any other material. The original signed notice is to be submitted to the Compliance Officer at the address cited in the paragraph entitled "Implementation of the Commission's Decision," within ten (10) calendar days of the expiration of the posting period."

What you describe may not be retaliation by the Agency. If anyone should discriminate against this employee because of what transpired in the EEOC decision etc. THAT could be retaliation.

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 11:11 AM

An Agent called me today and said they just posted this Analyst complaint for the entire office to see in Cali! The Memo, summed up, says:

"This facility was found to have unlawfully discriminated against an employee by assigning that employee to a secretarial position, and directed that she be put her back in an Investigative Analyst position."

Isn't there something or anything she can do about that? That ain't right! Now people are wanting to take a stand to help her.




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