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Poll: William "Bill" McMahon (28 member(s) have cast votes)

Which of the following best describes Bill McMahon:

  1. Voted Dishonest, Corrupt and Incompetent (26 votes [92.86%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 92.86%

  2. Dishonest and Incompetent (1 votes [3.57%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 3.57%

  3. Dishonest (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. Merely Incompetent (1 votes [3.57%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 3.57%

  5. A shining example of stellar leadership, integrity and executive exellence! (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

What should happen to McMahon based on his past and present conduct?

  1. Voted He should be immediately terminated from ATF, lose his retirement annuity, and face criminal prosecution for perjury before Congress, Obstruction of Justice, etc. (26 votes [92.86%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 92.86%

  2. He should be immediately terminated from employment with ATF, but keep his retirement, and face criminal prosecution for perjury before Congress, Obstruction of Justice, etc. (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. He should be immediately terminated from employment with ATF, but keep his retirement, and not be criminally prosecuted. (1 votes [3.57%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 3.57%

  4. He should not be terminated from ATF, but should receive serious disciplinary action such as a long suspension. (1 votes [3.57%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 3.57%

  5. He should be promoted and receive a substantial bonus for his outstanding contributions to ATF excellence and public safety.. (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

Is it an inexcusable conflict of interest for McMahon to be employed by J.P. Morgan, a government contractor and ATF's credit card vendor, while also being employed by and receiving full pay from ATF on administrative leave?

  1. Voted Absolutely. He and every ATF, DOJ and/or Administration executive who approved this situation should be dismissed and possibly criminally prosecuted. (26 votes [92.86%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 92.86%

  2. Maybe, but we don't yet have enough information to know whether anything inappropriate or unethical has occurred. (2 votes [7.14%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 7.14%

  3. No way! In fact, I'm moving all my investments to J.P. Morgan now that Slick Willy (II) is on the Team. (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

Are you cool with a government official who patently lied to Congress being employed by a major Wall Street investment banking firm?

  1. Voted No, I think J.P. Morgan are idiots for hiring McMahon or at the very least, for not instantly firing him after he committed obvious felony perjury in front of Congress, God and everybody. (27 votes [96.43%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 96.43%

  2. Not really, but all those fat cat Wall Street firms are self-serving and corrupt, so McMahon fits right in. (1 votes [3.57%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 3.57%

  3. Sure! In fact, I just donated my entire retirement and family trust funds to the "Bill McMahon Legal Defense Fund". (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

Is McMahon being bought off by the Obama Administration (by putting him on admin. leave to work a cushy job out of the limelight at J.P. Morgan) for "taking one for the Team" and lying to Congress to shield the highest-level perpetrators?

  1. Voted Oh Hell yes...isn't it obvious? Hugo Chavez would appreciate this kind of shameless payola! (18 votes [64.29%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 64.29%

  2. Possibly, but on the other hand, circling the wagons around and greasing the palms of disgraced upper management officials is SOP at ATF. (10 votes [35.71%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 35.71%

  3. How dare you? I am deeply offended by such a scurrilous and unfounded attack on the integrity of our beyond reproach, law and order-respecting leadership. (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 VINCENT A CEFALU

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Posted 08 April 2014 - 07:47 PM

http://www.theblaze....st-and-furious/


Be advised he DID fire one of our lab experts that same day. Get this, for lack of candor on the verbal say so of then ASAC Jeff Vind who they ran off so fast his head was spinning for his failures leading to the shut down of an entire Reno Office. Moral of story, Jone can hold field folks accountable but lacks the character to discipline bosses
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Posted 08 April 2014 - 07:14 PM

http://www.theblaze....st-and-furious/

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Posted 01 April 2014 - 10:19 AM


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Mcmahon voted on my board to terminate me AFTER I OUTTED HIS CORRUPT ASS. He was AD of internal affairs when they started their NON investigation. Then Julie Torres took over and finished the non investigation Then Brandon upheld the proposed termination. All while sanctioning fraud and using the excuse "we didnt know there was a policy against Double Dipping". Fact, all 3 of them had approved or disapproved dozens if not hundreds of outside employment requests. THEY KNOW THE POLICY. IF NOT, WHY ARE THEY RUNNING THIS BUREAU? DIRECTOR JONES IS ASLEEP AT THE WHEEL. Less LGBT events and more law enforcement functions sir.
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#4 VINCENT A CEFALU

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Posted 27 November 2013 - 11:38 AM

Take a moment and show support to a guy who hung it all out to do the right thing.If ATF won't honor him, we can.

 
     
 

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Posted 12 September 2013 - 07:51 PM

Don't count on anyone at ATF ever doing anything about this triple entente or anything else involving a manager. This is on par, no exaggeration, with Holders pardon of the FALN or Clinton pardon of Marc. Rich. Shame on them.
Want to try and even things. Divest yourself of anything to do with chase bank. And tell them why. If they care to ask.

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Posted 12 September 2013 - 06:40 PM

A re-posting of this action is entirely appropriate in light of Mr. Jones now being our official Director. His Deputy Director, Signed and Approved it, His AD of Internal Affairs approved it, and His AD of Personnel approved it. Where are they now? In what can only be described as a blatant, flagrant, knowing AND WILLFUL violation of ATF policy, and misappropriation of Government funds, ie. taxpayer dollars, Then DAD, or Assistant to the Director or whatever cubby-holed position they had him in, Bill McMahon, drew his ATF salary AND his J.P. Morgan Chase salary. Was this repayment for not bringing down the house of cards on Fast and Furious?

 

Back to the original point!!!!!!!! Surely Ms. Torres, Ms. Stinnett and Mr. Brandon have been reduced multiple pay grades for such outrageous conduct. Right? Afraid not. All are still drawing FAT SES salaries or pensions. YET, I continually receive notifications that the Senior leadership is continually denying field Agents requests for outside employment.

 

Look Mr. Jones, we are ONLY asking for integrity and fairness in your leadership. Nothing more nothing less. If an employee is doing their job well and wants to engage in outside employment, AND they are asking for anything short of double dipping and defrauding the government, haven't you kind of set that bar pretty low for approval now?

 

OR AT LEAST CLEARED THE WAY FOR MANAGERS WHO WANT TO JUST IGNORE POLICY TO DO SO WITHOUT SUFFERING ANY DISCIPLINARY ACTION?  YOU'VE GIVEN TORRES, STINNETT AND BRANDON A PASS. DOES EVERYBODY GET ONE NOW?

 

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 06:54 AM

McMahon Bros Definitely Appreciate the Finer Things in Life



This York Times article refers to Tom McMahon, who is reportedly the brother of humiliated ATF top executive, William ("Wild Bill") McMahon, of "Fast & Furious" ignominy.


Brother Bill, as you may recall, soiled himself on national TV by essentially claiming to know "nothing" about anything under his direct command, and generally demonstrating that the "leadership" team at 99 New York Avenue is about as honest and competent as your average meth dealer (no offense intended to any actual meth dealers).


To ensure his continuing willingness to "take one for the team", Billy Mack was then quietly "disappeared" to a cushy Wall Street job in the Philippinnes, while still (illegally) drawing a phat ATF "no show" SES salary.


La Cosa Nostra's got nothin' on these goodfellas.


According to the NYT article, brother Tom, who is 6'4" and 270 lbs., greatly enjoys having his finger and toenails painted in bright colors. Now, we're not making any judgments here ("To each his own", right?), and besides, who the hell are we to deny a good man his luxuries?


But that said, considering the fact that ATF's top management clearly has absolutely no problem with its members violating ATF policy and federal law, lying under oath, obstructing justice, constructing hotel room "glory holes" on the government dime, attempting to frame a decorated undercover agent for "arson" after failing to protect him from criminal contracts, and of course, gift-wrapping thousands of military grade weapons for narco-terrorists, etc., etc., we merely thought that this McMahon human-interest story was a sorely-needed breath of fresh air.



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Posted 17 December 2012 - 05:53 AM

Hopefully Bill will soon join the ranks of the unemployed and perhaps the incarcerated. Should he seek relief, I suggest he contact the Hardship Committee. Maybe they can ask Santa to pass his hat.

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 03:23 PM

McMahon a victim? That's grandstanding spin. The only victims in F & F are the dead and injured with government trafficked firearms because backbenching bureaucrats were too weak to stop it. Take your punishment like a man. How about a transfer by Chase from Manilla to Mexico City. Dunce.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 09:20 PM

"He was terminated less than a month shy of his 25 year pension." Is that relevant to anything. If your indicted with 2 days left on the statute of limitations clock is that an arguement that you are not guilty? He should have been terminated long ago. Hey comicon - "With great power comes great responsibility." Spidey sez

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 11:06 AM

Yes, well thought out calculated protection.  No demotion, no demand he pay back dbl dip money, and no charges for lying, gross mismanagement or loss of benefits. I'll break this down and everybody can decide whether justice has been served. McMahon, is eligible to retire in December, they helped him get a high powered job with the very company who holds the ATF credit card contract. They can and will drag out the termination process well past his retirement date. The fact that they PROPOSED it doesn't mean ANYTHING. He ALREADY has a job, so it will not impact his employability. He will get FULL SES retirement benefits, with NO consequences. Thereby, greenlighting many more abuses of authority in the future. YOU CANNOT terminate somebody who has already retired.  And Mr. Jones and Brandon KNOW this. Like I said, CALCULATED. More to follow.
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Posted 24 October 2012 - 11:11 AM

Here is the MSPB Order making ATF management look like a ship of fools (and liars) again.

http://www.mspb.gov/...ication=ACROBAT

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 07:52 AM

A person who's in the inner circle of the Attorney General and the President, That's who doesn't answer to Congress.
As long as nothing happens to them, they will continue to do it and get away with it.
An example needs to be set.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 12:43 AM

How does an Acting Director of an Agency flat ignore and refuse to answer questions from Congress. His ass should be called to answer directly to congress just for that. Seriously? Hey, you let Julie Torres go back to Tampa unscathed, you are letting Gillette retire unscathed, Hoover and Horace unscathed. Hell you promoted Herkins and allow ASAC Vind to stay in place. Hell why don't you just promote Newell too, hes the only one you haven't promoted yet. You let Ms. Loos back in the rotation. Change cast this and explain why you totally blew off the FAAP.. That would be refreshing to hear you justify having DONE NOTHING since you've been here except to try and divert attention from a corrupted Internal Affairs, a corrupted senior executive staff and a dirty Chief Counsels office. WHO doesn't answer Congress?
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Posted 17 October 2012 - 04:16 PM

With Ms. Loos back to finalize the destruction of a great Bureau, whats Next Msrs. Jones, Brandon and Turk, Mc Mahon back to AD of Internal Affairs?
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Posted 13 October 2012 - 06:38 PM

What a bunch of crap. Stinnett should be ashamed of herself for approving that golden parachute. And they say there is no double standards between 14's, 15's, SES'ers and the regular working stiffs. We all know folks who have been denied outside employment for no other reason because the SAC wanted to show who the boss is. At least now we know why Julie is being demoted two levels back to SAC.

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 12:31 PM

Look folks, we have had 4 Internal Affairs Asst. Directors in as many years. All were sent back down two levels for integrity and ethics violations. Nuff said. Do NOT think this is going unnoticed by our elected representatives. Our CURRENT AD of Internal Affairs will not be there long either. To RECAP, he is the one who proactively contacted HQ employees and asked them to fabricate a story regarding how my badges were intentionally destroyed, and did not acknowledge that IS a crime until over a year later after he was asked under oath. And ONLY then reported it to Internal affairs. Notwithstanding being responsible for costing the tax payers Hundreds of thousands of dollars for trying to Fire SA Jim Tokos for blowing the whistle on him and the San Francisco field management staff, (mistakenly, of course, it wasn't even Tokos), and of course could NOT recall over 50 actions he took or what even policies were applicable. I personally like that he went back channel to HQ employees to review documents which had been subpoenad in a criminal trial, and do whatever else he intended to do with said documents. Until Internal Affairs is cleaned out, this Bureau is Dooooomed.

Hey,

With all the JP Morgan profits (off the backs of taxpayers) perhaps McMahon is already due a pay raise!


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#18 VINCENT A CEFALU

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 12:30 PM

Look folks, we have had 4 Internal Affairs Asst. Directors in as many years. All were sent back down two levels for integrity and ethics violations. Nuff said. Do NOT think this is going unnoticed by our elected representatives. Our CURRENT AD of Internal Affairs will not be there long either. To RECAP, he is the one who proactively contacted HQ employees and asked them to fabricate a story regarding how my badges were intentionally destroyed, and did not acknowledge that IS a crime until over a year later after he was asked under oath. And ONLY then reported it to Internal affairs. Notwithstanding being responsible for costing the tax payers Hundreds of thousands of dollars for trying to Fire SA Jim Tokos for blowing the whistle on him and the San Francisco field management staff, (mistakenly, of course, it wasn't even Tokos), and of course could NOT recall over 50 actions he took or what even policies were applicable. I personally like that he went back channel to HQ employees to review documents which had been subpoenad in a criminal trial, and do whatever else he intended to do with said documents. Until Internal Affairs is cleaned out, this Bureau is Dooooomed.

Hey,

With all the JP Morgan profits (off the backs of taxpayers) perhaps McMahon is already due a pay raise!


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Posted 12 October 2012 - 07:03 AM

Look folks, we have had 4 Internal Affairs Asst. Directors in as many years. All were sent back down two levels for integrity and ethics violations. Nuff said. Do NOT think this is going unnoticed by our elected representatives. Our CURRENT AD of Internal Affairs will not be there long either. To RECAP, he is the one who proactively contacted HQ employees and asked them to fabricate a story regarding how my badges were intentionally destroyed, and did not acknowledge that IS a crime until over a year later after he was asked under oath. And ONLY then reported it to Internal affairs. Notwithstanding being responsible for costing the tax payers Hundreds of thousands of dollars for trying to Fire SA Jim Tokos for blowing the whistle on him and the San Francisco field management staff, (mistakenly, of course, it wasn't even Tokos), and of course could NOT recall over 50 actions he took or what even policies were applicable. I personally like that he went back channel to HQ employees to review documents which had been subpoenad in a criminal trial, and do whatever else he intended to do with said documents. Until Internal Affairs is cleaned out, this Bureau is Dooooomed.

Hey,

With all the JP Morgan profits (off the backs of taxpayers) perhaps McMahon is already due a pay raise!


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Posted 11 October 2012 - 04:58 PM

See attached outside employment document ostensibly regarding Mr. McMahon:

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 11:50 AM

Word I heard was Brandon and Julie Torres signed off on it. That's why Torres is going to Tampa. The bigger question is, WHY is she being sent back home? Why is she still an SES? Why is OUR leadership failing to answer a senior Senator related to the double-dipping? If I had a dispute with the agency regarding their abuses related to approving street agents outside Bureau employment approvals, I would be posting her, and hiring an attorney to file a class action. I know of five agents who have had their outside employment approvals denied or rescinded JUST for 10 hrs. a week. FULL TIME? FULL TIME? Word is Bill Mc thinks because his boss approved it and he got admin time, h'es off the hook. Remember Bill, you cannot be ordered OR approved to violate the law or policy KNOWINGLY. Just sayin'.

Someone had to sign off on the outside employment form for McMahon. Who were these corrupt idiots? I know many agents who were denied outside employment because it would interfere with the obligations of being an ATF Special Agent.

So, who is in McMahon's chain of command and had to approve this JP Morgan employment?

Jones
Brandon
Hoover
Chait

So, which corrupt moron signed off (and where is the document) allowing McMahon to work 1 private job while getting paid as a full time special agent drawing LEAP pay as well?

Is there a heroic ATF Resosurce Management whistleblower (protected by whistleblower status) willing to release the document containing signature(s)?

All, every time you discuss McMahon and corruption, also mention JP Morgan. This way, when someone searches online for either they will be linked. Give JP Morgan it wants, more bad publicity.


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Posted 27 September 2012 - 10:54 AM

Now Cobra, poor poor Cobra. (Joking)
You and I know a WhistleBlower can't come forward. Remember, they're not even protected by the laws written to protect them!

Now let's go feed the Unicorn together. :)

But seriously, you make a valid point.
Many people on this website make valid points but it appears no one in Congress cares.

They are just gonna put lipstick on the pig!
Oh, I meant change the Agency's name.

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 10:02 AM

Someone had to sign off on the outside employment form for McMahon. Who were these corrupt idiots? I know many agents who were denied outside employment because it would interfere with the obligations of being an ATF Special Agent.

So, who is in McMahon's chain of command and had to approve this JP Morgan employment?

Jones
Brandon
Hoover
Chait

So, which corrupt moron signed off (and where is the document) allowing McMahon to work 1 private job while getting paid as a full time special agent drawing LEAP pay as well?

Is there a heroic ATF Resosurce Management whistleblower (protected by whistleblower status) willing to release the document containing signature(s)?

All, every time you discuss McMahon and corruption, also mention JP Morgan. This way, when someone searches online for either they will be linked. Give JP Morgan it wants, more bad publicity.

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 08:35 PM

Something else to think about.

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 09:46 AM

Can anyone confirm that sidelined Asst Dir. Bill McMahon is actually in the Philippines? How can that be so after Chairman Issa called Mr. Jones out on letting him have government time to have a second job? Isn't that fraud under THESE circumstances? Doesn't Mr. McMahon know hes probably going to be indicted for boldly lying to Congress? Is McMahon still building good time toward his upcoming retirement by not even being on the job at his desk? Or is all this rumor and he's (McMahon) working at 99 NY Ave. Mr. Jones is a sitting U.S. Atty. There is NO WAY. Is there?


I believe a response to Sen. Grassley's letter requesting information from ATF in this regard was due last week. Perhaps his office has answers. I'm sure you could call JP Morgan and ask for him on Park Ave. or wherever.

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 06:36 PM

Can anyone confirm that sidelined Asst Dir. Bill McMahon is actually in the Philippines? How can that be so after Chairman Issa called Mr. Jones out on letting him have government time to have a second job? Isn't that fraud under THESE circumstances? Doesn't Mr. McMahon know hes probably going to be indicted for boldly lying to Congress? Is McMahon still building good time toward his upcoming retirement by not even being on the job at his desk? Or is all this rumor and he's (McMahon) working at 99 NY Ave. Mr. Jones is a sitting U.S. Atty. There is NO WAY. Is there?

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Posted 03 September 2012 - 11:03 AM

Pro Confesso ALWAYS posts extremely accurate and helpful information. PAY CLOSE ATTENTION. I am. In my particular case, I DONT CARE if they depose me 100 times. The truth NEVER changes, but their lies do.


Vince, I admire and respect your stamina.

HOWEVER, every time ATF requested a deposition, my attorney had to be present. That cost $200+ an hour. Also, they deposed my doctor, that cost money, too. Then, it cost me more money than I care to remember to get copies of the transcript of each deposition. Also, as Jay has stated, mediations are not only a complete waste of time, it costs you to have your attorney to attend.

ATF and DOJ will do anything to run your defense costs up. They will file voluminous motions and extensions, so that you must cash in your TSP, IRAs and anything you have worked hard to save. And even if you win (I won all of my cases), the judge will not compensate you for all of your attorney fees and court costs. ATF/DOJ know this, ergo, you are repeatedly deposed, and needless motions are requested over and over. Then, to add insult to your injury, ATF/DOJ will try to slip in ridiculous stipulations to your settlement agreement (like: you agree to never work for the federal government as long as you live). Much back-and-forth ensues, so even though you won your case, you will have to spend more money to the bitter end, and then some after they violate the terms. When ATF violated a major term in one of my settlement agreements, the ASAC told me to sue them again.

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Posted 03 September 2012 - 09:04 AM

Pro Confesso ALWAYS posts extremely accurate and helpful information. PAY CLOSE ATTENTION. I am. In my particular case, I DONT CARE if they depose me 100 times. The truth NEVER changes, but their lies do.
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Posted 02 September 2012 - 08:18 PM

As matter of protocol within the Northern Judicial District of California, AND at the insistence of the U.S. District Court Judge presiding over my civil suit against Eric Holder/ATF et al. we will be attending formal mediation in San Francisco, Ca. On September 28th. We ALL know exactly what this means. There is always of course the tried and true Jay Dobyns version of ATF mediation, "QUIT or be FIRED". We will see. These proceedings are confidential so I will NOT be able to inform the field, but you are really really smart people. It IS however VERY telling that the assigned Assistant United States Attorney insisted that he be allowed to depose me AGAIN, for the 3rd time, one week prior to the mediation but is clearly stonewalling my deposition of Mc Mahon prior to the same mediation. Do not try to apply logic or integrity to this information, ( Our CURRENT leadership does not measure our successes by ethics OR integrity) just take these facts and do with them as you choose.Semper Fidelis, Vince


You can request that the scope of the deposition be defined and make sure that it is adhered to. Wide latitude is given and depositions are most always allowed but you can try objecting if it is repetitive (your 3rd time). That tells you all you need to know about how level the playing field is when they strongly object to your wanting to depose a decision maker in your case (mcmahon) - veritas est adaequatio rei et intellectus - truth is the equation of things and intellect - a sum at which mcmahon fails.

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Posted 02 September 2012 - 10:08 AM

As matter of protocol within the Northern Judicial District of California, AND at the insistence of the U.S. District Court Judge presiding over my civil suit against Eric Holder/ATF et al. we will be attending formal mediation in San Francisco, Ca. On September 28th. We ALL know exactly what this means. There is always of course the tried and true Jay Dobyns version of ATF mediation, "QUIT or be FIRED". We will see. These proceedings are confidential so I will NOT be able to inform the field, but you are really really smart people. It IS however VERY telling that the assigned Assistant United States Attorney insisted that he be allowed to depose me AGAIN, for the 3rd time, one week prior to the mediation but is clearly stonewalling my deposition of Mc Mahon prior to the same mediation. Do not try to apply logic or integrity to this information, ( Our CURRENT leadership does not measure our successes by ethics OR integrity) just take these facts and do with them as you choose.Semper Fidelis, Vince
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Posted 28 August 2012 - 12:39 PM

Each and EVERY day, that Bill McMahon is allowed to hold both jobs, Mr. Jones is breaking the law and EVERY ethical standard previously held by this agency. NO MATTER his justification. So much for the Department of "JUSTICE". How many grievances and EEOC complaints have been filed and are still pending because the ATF "leadership" has denied line agents approval to work a minimal side job?There are currently attacks being logged by Martin and crew against an agent who has had an outside job for over 5 years, but are using that issue as a payback.

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 05:40 AM

I wonder how many employee's have requested authorization for outside employment for a legitimate need and were denied. I know of two.


Make it three, Patriot. My request for off-duty employment netted a much different result than that of Mr. McMahon's. Mind you, I was not under investigation by congress or the OIG at the time of the request which may have worked against me.

Like many employees, my first year with the agency meant an unpaid relo - mortgage in the home state and rent @ first POD. I was offered a chance to make some extra income working for a local business on weekends and after hours w/no minimum committment - flexibility that ensured no conflict with work. Everyone in division management signed off - after 11 months (after the danger had passed, thank you), I got the response form HQ - denied with a regulatory cite that had no connection to the employment in question as the basis for the "prohibition".

Question: Would my clearance have been withdrawn or would I have been terminated for bad debts while the avenue for more income was being blocked?
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Posted 25 August 2012 - 11:47 AM

The question is now, will Mr. Jones immediately resign as acting Director for such ethical lapses? Will Brandon and Turk explain and be held accountable for such a disgrace? Will Congress or the OIG pull Mr. McMahons passport to prevent him from fleeing prosecution since his J.P. Morgan position involves the Phillipines? Will he be made to PAY THE TAXPAYERS back immediately, have his accrued benefits reset to reflect lost time? These are the consequences that the LAW requires. The question is, will DOJ or ATF apply the LAW just this once?

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 02:48 PM

All posts relating to Bill McMahon's responsibility for "Operation Fast & Furious", his subsequent Congressional perjury re: same, and his employment by J.P. Morgan (which, by pure coincidence, is the vendor for ATF's government credit card program) while on paid administrative leave, have been moved into this topic.

It is our contention that ATF/DOJ's handling of William "Bill" McMahon is a perfect illustration of the almost unbelievable level of arrogant corruption and scorn for the rule of law that characterizes the highest leadership of both agencies and the Adminsitration they serve.

It should be noted that McMahon was not only a key decision-maker and cover-up front man in "Fast & Furious", but also played a primary role in prosecuting completely bogus disciplinary actions and other unlawful acts of reprisal and prohibited personnel actions against numerous ATF employees. These acts included, among other things, collusion with ATF's Chief Counsel's office to fabricate evidence against innocent people, the deliberate use of fraudulent Internal Affairs investigations to intimidate, smear and destroy decent ATF special agents, and the use of unwarranted disciplinary action and other adverse personnel actions such as involuntary transfers to crush employees who dared to speak out against rampant waste, fraud and abuse, not to mention absurd policy decisions such as "Fast & Furious".

McMahon has also been instrumental in covering-up numerous serious acts of misconduct, including fraud, unethical behavior, dereliction of duty and other malfeasance, on the part of ATF managers at all levels. Until his shockingly untruthful and pathetically embarrassing performance before Congress re: "Fast & Furious", he was one of the Bureau's top "Go-To" guys when members of ATF management's "Good Ol' Boy Club" needed to be shielded from obviously warranted displinary action, or outside scrutiny and accountability.

However, McMahon's days as one of ATF's slipperiest "Teflon Dons" and Wall Street tycoons may be numbered. Congressman Darrel Issa and others are now publicly calling for McMahon's criminal prosecution. It's about time.

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 12:00 PM

Jones just walked into Issa's office, stood on his desk, took a big s**t right in front of him and said, "how do you like me now?" over the McMahon stuff. Issa needs to make this personal with Jones.

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 10:13 AM

Lets not beat around the bush.

Those guilty in Fast and Furious are being provided accomodation to leave ATF with a comfortable exit stratagy on thier own terms by our current leadership. It is that easy to understand. Promised accountablity? No. Promised discipline? No. Obama and Holder publicly guaranteed it. Isn't happening. ATF's leadership is making fools of the the President and the AG.

No one needs the OIG report to know who did what. ATF could have taken action against these guys a long time ago but the current leadership is harboring them to retirement. We all see it and we all know it and we are being insulted that they don't think we get what is going on.

Can anyone, anywhere even imagine an agent being given this favor? It would never, ever, ever, never happen. How many agents are currently facing termination and discipline for events not even in the same stratosphere as this?

How much more of this does Jones think that America can stomach? Things aren't getting better they are getting worse. And yes, Jones and crew own this. They can't blame this one on Melson or Hoover. This one wasn't inherited. Someone(s) above the DAD level sanctioned this and furthered it. Maybe ATF can get executive privlige and not turn over the documents and answers demanded by Issa and Grassley in their letter to Jones on this.

At ATF it is much better to be a wrong executive than it is to be a right agent. And people in ATF still want to serve as appologists and tell us that we don't understand the "big picture" and that justice is coming. They are pissing down our backs and telling us its raining. At this point how many ways and times is it even possible to again say "unbelievable"?

I'll now stand down and wait for my days off (again) for posting this message.

Fox feature this morning:
http://video.foxnews...-double-dipping

Tagging on to the points made by Davislowrider:
http://www.humanevents.com/2012/08/23/fast-and-furious-bill-mcmahons-long-vacation/

"McMahon has been on paid leave for the past five months. But don’t worry, he hasn’t been idle. In fact, he’s got a full time private sector executive position, working for one of those eeevil financial institutions the Obama Administration is always claiming they want to crack down on.

That’s right: you, the taxpaying sucker, are forking over McMahon’s government salary while he’s simultaneously raking in big bucks as “Executive Director of the Global Security and Investigations Group” at JP Morgan in the Phillipines. That way, he’ll be able to collect his plush government retirement benefits, even as he gets a half-year head start on his post-Fast and Furious private sector career.

In a completely unrelated coincidence, JP Morgan just happens to be the credit card provider for the ATF. And they’re big-time Obama donors."

Congressional letter to Jones:
“Our most recent joint staff report on Operation Fast and Furious, released on July 31, 2012, scrutinized the role McMahon played in the operation,” says the letter from Issa and Grassley. “We detailed his failure to supervise the activities of the Phoenix Field Division during Fast and Furious, his admitted failure to read important documents he was responsible for authorizing, and his false testimony regarding his role in authorizing applications for wiretaps in the case. Despite these failings, ATF not only continues to keep him on its payroll, but also has authorized him to take several months of annual leave while earning a six-figure salary from ATF and an even larger salary at the same time working in the private sector.”

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 10:11 AM

One more instance of zero leadership at the top. McMahon may have received "approval" to start his new career but no one thought about the message. Did they think it would stay quiet? Management again looking out for their own. Essentially thumbing their nose at the rest of the agency. I wonder how many employee's have requested authorization for outside employment for a legitimate need and were denied. I know of two. How about the publics perception of a highly paid US government official working for a financial insitution out the country. If ever there was evidence of ineffective decision making this was it. I wonder if B.Tood will have a canned answer to the question at his next town hall meeting. I fully expect that the SAC will pre-empt any attempt at asking the question prior to his arrival, because he lacks any backbone. The upside is that if someone is bold enough to stand up and ask a difficult question, the SAC will not know who it is unless he asks someone.He knows very few people by name. It is just pathetic.

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How come the entire population understands ATF's corruption except Jones who is the only person in a real position to do something about it? It's time for Jones to start walking the walk and stop talking about all the good things he is doing. We haven't seen ANYTHING, just heard about it.



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Posted 22 August 2012 - 12:36 PM

Now this is just too precious. The senior official on MY PRB, who I had formally exposed for whitewashing the "Road Dog" cover up, and who then voted to propose my termination based on what have since been proven to be completely fabricated allegations, is not only a liar. He lied under oath to Congress, violated every ATF outside employment practice and policy, and defrauded the U.S. government by stating he is working 10 hours a day for ATF while working the same 10 hours for J.P. Morgan.............CLASSIC.

I would say that Julie Torres would not stand for it, but she obviously is on the 5th floor and knew it was going on. Is this the Vanessa McLemore retirement plan? Will we now be exposed to a glorious send off for such a great man in the history of ATF?

Excuse me while I go vomit.

He has violated SO many policies and regulations, yet continues to draw SES pay. He has corrupted our entire chain of command, and the kicker is Jones, Brandon and Turk approved it. Misappropriation of government funds, falsifying time cards etc etc used to get you FIRED and maybe prosecuted. How many subordinates has McMahon ruled against, disciplined and even terminated for FAR less than pulling another full time job. He should be ashamed, and Mr. Brandon...................Isn't this far less heinous than having a newspaper route on the side to make ends meet? Just sayin sir.


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Posted 22 August 2012 - 12:29 PM

He has violated SO many policies and regulations, yet continues to draw SES pay. He has corrupted our entire chain of command, and the kicker is that Jones, Brandon and Turk approved it. Misappropriation of government funds, falsifying time cards, etc., etc., used to get you FIRED and maybe even prosecuted. How many subordinates has McMahon ruled against, disciplined and even terminated for FAR less than pulling another full time job?

He should be ashamed, and Mr. Brandon, isn't this far less heinous than having a newspaper route on the side to make ends meet? Just sayin, Sir.





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