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[VINCENT A CEFALU]

Word on the street is that they are shitcanning DSZ as our contracted EEOC investigating firm. The good news is they may actually investigate a case now and then. DSZ never met a retaliating manager they didnt protect.

[Fedupwrkr]

I agree with ProConfesso.  I had filed my initial complaint to ATF EEO.  In the process of them gathering the initial evidence, the EEO counselor stated in his counselor report that he interviewed one of the managers in my complaint and the manager stated he cannot reveal that information at this time because it is attorney client privilege.  His attorney was the agency attorney.  

 

Isn't quite disheartening that we're the one's being discriminated and retaliated against, and we have to spend our hard earned money to get a lawyer.  The manager's who do the discriminating and retaliating just have to go in house and there is no sweat on their brow.  No worries and they don't have to spend their money.  This is quite sickening when I think about it.  

[ProConfesso]

I recall a mediation in which I was present with hired counsel.  Also present were an ATF manager, made infamous in F & F.  The ATF manager was the discriminating party.  ATF counsel, who was supposed to have decision making responsibility - or immediate access to such (and had neither), was referred to, by him,  as "his counsel."  

I believe that this partially explains the disproportionate number of EEOC claims.

Instead of evaluating a claim on behalf of the Agency as a whole, the Office of Chief Counsel will back a manager, even if they are discriminatory or performing or implementing a policy that is counter to a rule, order, regulation or law.  At whatever cost.

When these managers win at lower levels they are made bolder to continue on a path of, let us say, destruction.   

[Retired Agent Jay Dobyns]

I just saw this post.  Are these numbers really true?  Unbelievable.

Bad choice of words.  Yes it is believable.  Not sure why I responded as if I was surprised or shocked.

[Retired Agent Jay Dobyns]

 

Posted Today, 11:09 AM

How disturbing is this? How disturbing is it that ATF leadership denies there is a problem? Mr. Jones, Brandon and Turk are thumbing their noses at the dedicated employees of ATF as evidenced by their refusal to reign in out of control Chief counsels office as evidenced by Mr. Brandon completely ignoring the FAAP recommendations. Does this in fact VALIDATE those Congressional members who resisted Mr. Jones confirmation based upon allegations of reprisals and abuse? YOU BE THE JUDGE. Mr. Jones has been in charge either acting or confirmed for over 2 years. compare the 2010 stats and the steady increase. Sadly, these numbers were taken directly from the Official U.S. DOJ website TODAY..........................

 

Total number of employees        FBI 35,000+      

Total number of pending EEOC complaints reported end of yr 2012     312    Less than 1%

 

 

Total number of employees       DEA  10,000+

Total number of pending EEOC complaints reported end of yr 2012      53      Less than 1%

 

 

 

 

Total number of employees       ATF    4770

Total number of pending EEOC complaints reported end of yr 2012      1362  More than 25%

SERIOUSLY?????????

Where there is smoke there is fire America.

 

http://www.justice.g...eeos/nofear.htm

 

I just saw this post.  Are these numbers really true?  Unbelievable.

[Jaime3]

There's a rumor in the wind about a analyst in the Chicago Division but co-located, who has some damaging information about some folks abusing the agent cashier fund.
Incredible!

[Doc Holiday]

HERE WE GO AGAIN. Another office mired in controversy, and the SPECIAL AGENT IN CHARGE AND ASSISTANT SPECIAL AGENTS IN CHARGE, are attempting to spin and conceal HUGE issues from HQ and have minimized the violations to internal affairs DAD King OBVIOUSLY WITH AD GLEYSTEENS APPROVAL. The violations are blatant, unethical and WILL result in significant investigation and disciplinary actions. As usual, the attempt by Field Division senior managers to conceal and cover-up the allegations will result in disaster. The affected SAC has a proven record of failure(documented), but Mr. Jones apparently thought it a good idea to promote him anyway.

 

The field division in question is conducting their own internal investigation trying to tamp down the NOW documented abuses and allegations INCLUDING INTEGRITY VIOLATIONS from HQ oversight. It would appear IA is complicit designating the violations as management issues........THEY ARE NOT. Secret meetings with employees, interviewing entire offices conducted by an ASAC and a (Yes man RAC),   DETAILS TO FOLLOW.

 

CAN ANYONE PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW SUCH ACTIONS ADVANCE OUR MISSION READINESS?

[Doc Holiday]

Posted Today, 11:09 AM

How disturbing is this? How disturbing is it that ATF leadership denies there is a problem? Mr. Jones, Brandon and Turk are thumbing their noses at the dedicated employees of ATF as evidenced by their refusal to reign in out of control Chief counsels office as evidenced by Mr. Brandon completely ignoring the FAAP recommendations. Does this in fact VALIDATE those Congressional members who resisted Mr. Jones confirmation based upon allegations of reprisals and abuse? YOU BE THE JUDGE. Mr. Jones has been in charge either acting or confirmed for over 2 years. compare the 2010 stats and the steady increase. Sadly, these numbers were taken directly from the Official U.S. DOJ website TODAY..........................

 

Total number of employees        FBI 35,000+      

Total number of pending EEOC complaints reported end of yr 2012     312    Less than 1%

 

 

Total number of employees       DEA  10,000+

Total number of pending EEOC complaints reported end of yr 2012      53      Less than 1%

 

 

 

 

Total number of employees       ATF    4770

Total number of pending EEOC complaints reported end of yr 2012      1362  More than 25%

SERIOUSLY?????????

Where there is smoke there is fire America.

 

http://www.justice.g...eeos/nofear.htm

[VINCENT A CEFALU]

Merry Christmas to ALL, and a safe and prosperous New Year. 2014 holds the possibility of restoring ATF to its once great status. Its all in the hands of the now CONFIRMED leadership.

[Doc Holiday]

The shame of this is that our Executive Staff has created all of this.Little or no training programs for new Agents. No senior Agents to train new Agents. Over 25% of our gun and badge toting Agents are GS-14, 15 or SES specialized employees, (NOT making cases or advancing our core mission). Supervisors with less than 10 years experience. Whats the point you ask? Senior managers who have failed or proved incompetent to hold leadership positions are NOT demoted or re-assigned, they are merely moved and hidden.Every manager who just goes along with the status quo KNOWS that there will be NO REAL consequences. If the reports by the media are true, and we know THEY AREN'T ALWAYS ACCURATE, The FIRST question that has to be asked is were the RAC, ASAC, SAC or DAD removed or demoted? Was the SAC/DAD of the Milwaukee case demoted (LOSS OF PAY OR BENEFITS), OR was he transferred as a SAC to the VERY Office he had been begging to go to for the last 10 years?  Mr. Jones and Mr. Brandon created the FAAP, (Field Agency Advisory Panel), then completely disregarded their recommendations. The agency has run off nearly ALL of its senior and most experienced agents, with NO mechanism in place to train new field Agents. In one field division, the ASAC was heard to say," well we just don't have enough training Agents, so we'll have to just live with it". Well NOW we are living with it Mr. Vind. Former SAC/DAD Steve Martin was asked, "Once you've run off or fired every senior Agent who questions your judgement, then what"? RESPONSE.......There's a 1000 guys waiting to fill those jobs. Question posed to SAC Martin, how are you going to run a major field division with new hires? Answer.............SILENCE. Headquarters continues to advance the divisions between the Guys and Gals actually doing the work and the bosses overseeing them. This may suggest WHY they have not released the most recent survey results conducted by OPM. We have said it before, but it is worth mentioning again. Headquarters collective field experience amounts to thousands of years of outdated experience. The fields collective experience amounts to TENS of thousands of years of real time experience.. This aint rocket science ladies and gentlemen.

[Retired and loving it]

Re: the Fox News article referenced below, the question is  -- "So what is new???????"

[Jaime3]

http://www.foxnews.c...intcmp=trending