22 replies to this topic

[GoodWorker]

If that is true, and I hope it is, it going to be a very bad event for the current executives.  They've testified that retaliation is not tolerated during their regime.  Not true.  The list will be long and the stories of reputation and career destruction are beyond depressing.

I hope everyone is keeping book on all of the incompetent and corrupt acts of the "leadership."  Just do it like you would any log.  The public needs to know how bad employees are being protected hence the fleecing of American tax dollars not to mention the risk to public safety.

[GoodWorker]

Who's the BEST person to contact if you find out the Agency Attorney withheld evidence in your case?
The Agency went on record stating they couldn't find such evidence, when requested in Discovery.

I know the DOJ Attorneys were busted for this.

You may want to try filing a complaint with the attorney registration and disciplinary board in your state.  Just Google them.  It may not amount to much but just think how good it will be if they actually do their job unlike the DOJ.  If an attorney loses their license, they can't do their job.

[ProConfesso]

http://m.jsonline.co...-287964051.html

[x1811]

I have met SA Mark Crider many times and worked with him in Iraq in a joint ATF/FBI operational environment.  While the article posted by ProConfesso indicated that he may be a "pain in the ass to work with" (he does have a big ego), he did stand up for what is right in his mind.  What the article misses is the point that SAC Carlson was not promoted when transferred back to FBIHQ.  She was transferred to a lateral administrative (where she cannot do any harm to field agents and operations) position and is paid more only because of locality pay while the investigation by the Office of Professional Responsibility (OPR) is ongoing. This is the FBI's way of removing a problem while it is being investigated.  If Crider was the problem, the FBI would have transferred him instead to a "rubber gun squad" somewhere else.  FBI Director Comey correctly refused to comment to the reporter because the investigation is still current.  This does not indicate his endorsement of her or approval of her alleged suborning perjury.

[ProConfesso]

http://weaponsman.com/?p=15686

[Jaime3]

http://bit.ly/1tIaotk
All liars

[GoodWorker]

I know what it is like to have your badge, credentials, and firearm taken away from you, and to be placed on restricted duty.  You become radioactive.  Other agents avoid you.  During my time on restricted duty [thank God I had spinal surgery and ended up on OWCP until I retired] I learned which agents are brave and which are cowards or lackeys for management.

 

I can count the brave agents on one hand.

 

I always found strength in the fact that ATF feared me and that ATF only bullied good agents with moral integrity. 

Thank you for standing strong against ATF's high school mentality and culture of retaliation.

[abteilung]

I know what it is like to have your badge, credentials, and firearm taken away from you, and to be placed on restricted duty.  You become radioactive.  Other agents avoid you.  During my time on restricted duty [thank God I had spinal surgery and ended up on OWCP until I retired] I learned which agents are brave and which are cowards or lackeys for management.

 

I can count the brave agents on one hand.

 

I always found strength in the fact that ATF feared me and that ATF only bullied good agents with moral integrity. 

[VINCENT A CEFALU]

I can confirm that S.A. Ryan had a SIGNIFICANT dispute alleging retaliation against ATF. I can also state unequivocally, that multiple retaliatory actions were taken against him, (he told me so). And what makes it worse is that Former SAC John Torres who had ALREADY formally been found to have retaliated in SFFD WAS AT THE CORE OF S.A. RYAN'S TROUBLES. Had ATF fired Torres as required by policy, who knows that would have happened.

Jaime3
We are on the same page on ATF pretending to care about it's employees by posting the below video on youtube.com concerning suicide prevention and they had the audacity to use deceased ATF SA Ryan's mother to talk about his suicide. If you google ATF Agent suicide you will find the below stories of our fallen brothers. Does anyone know if anyone of these other agents had a pending EEO, Whistle Blower, MSPB, Civil Suit, or other action against ATF at the time of their death?

http://sipseystreeti...gent-in-la.html

https://www.youtube....h?v=LCyx-vqPfF0

http://www.nbcwashin...-232639081.html

http://www.syracuse...._jeff_ryan.html

http://azdailysun.co...1cc4c002e0.html

[VINCENT A CEFALU]

Jaime3
We are on the same page on ATF pretending to care about it's employees by posting the below video on youtube.com concerning suicide prevention and they had the audacity to use deceased ATF SA Ryan's mother to talk about his suicide. If you google ATF Agent suicide you will find the below stories of our fallen brothers. Does anyone know if anyone of these other agents had a pending EEO, Whistle Blower, MSPB, Civil Suit, or other action against ATF at the time of their death?

http://sipseystreeti...gent-in-la.html

https://www.youtube....h?v=LCyx-vqPfF0

http://www.nbcwashin...-232639081.html

http://www.syracuse...._jeff_ryan.html

http://azdailysun.co...1cc4c002e0.html

[GoodWorker]

With all the talk concerning Suicide Prevention, has anyone of ATF Executive staff actively prevented harassment or retaliation when they became aware of it? Did they ignore it or act like it didn't happen?

Harassment or retaliation from bosses, coworkers, and other employees have been know to help push a person to the brink, often times over the edge.

When people go seek help, DOJ and ATF attorneys have been allowed to use the medical information against the employee seeking help, in an effort to strip their security clearance, while campaigning for that employees' termination.

Some judges have allowed this, while some judicial systems have silently approved it.

The agency's actions with harassment and retaliation, only proves how the information handed down about suicide prevention, is not coming from a genuine place.

Jaime3

We are on the same page on ATF pretending to care about it's employees by posting the below video on youtube.com concerning suicide prevention and they had the audacity to use deceased ATF SA Ryan's mother to talk about his suicide.  If you google ATF Agent suicide you will find the below stories of our fallen brothers. Does anyone know if anyone of these other agents had a pending EEO, Whistle Blower, MSPB, Civil Suit, or other action against ATF at the time of their death?

 

http://sipseystreeti...gent-in-la.html

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=LCyx-vqPfF0

 

http://www.nbcwashin...-232639081.html

 

http://www.syracuse...._jeff_ryan.html

 

http://azdailysun.co...1cc4c002e0.html

[Jaime3]

With all the talk concerning Suicide Prevention, has anyone of ATF Executive staff actively prevented harassment or retaliation when they became aware of it? Did they ignore it or act like it didn't happen?

Harassment or retaliation from bosses, coworkers, and other employees have been know to help push a person to the brink, often times over the edge.

When people go seek help, DOJ and ATF attorneys have been allowed to use the medical information against the employee seeking help, in an effort to strip their security clearance, while campaigning for that employees' termination.

Some judges have allowed this, while some judicial systems have silently approved it.

The agency's actions with harassment and retaliation, only proves how the information handed down about suicide prevention, is not coming from a genuine place.

[Jaime3]

Sounds Familiar?

“The VA’s problems are the result of morally bankrupt managers that through time and grade have moved up into powerful positions where they have the power to, and continue to, ruin people’s lives,” Ruell said.

http://m.washingtone...article/2550854

[Retired Agent Jay Dobyns]

This is how retaliation should've been handled in ATF: http://www.fox8live....u5FeVwg.twitter

People make mistakes.  We all get that and most of us are very forgiving with a sincere appology.  The executives at ATF are too full of their own Kool Aid to ever say they are sorry or admit a mistake.

[Jaime3]

This is how retaliation should've been handled in ATF: http://www.fox8live....u5FeVwg.twitter

[Heisenberg]

It seems like two have managed to weather the storm. Canino is now the SAC of the LA Field Division and now I hear that Peter Forselli is getting a GS-15 job in HQ. Maybe they drank the Kool Aid...

[Heisenberg]

It seems like two have managed to weather the storm. Canino is now the SAC of the LA Field Division and now I hear that Peter Forselli is getting a GS-15 job in HQ. Maybe they drank the Kool Aid...

[Retired Agent Jay Dobyns]

Is there any truth to the Republican rumor mill, concerning certain Republicans wanting a total accounting of all ATF whistleblowers and info?

If that is true, and I hope it is, it going to be a very bad event for the current executives.  They've testified that retaliation is not tolerated during their regime.  Not true.  The list will be long and the stories of reputation and career destruction are beyond depressing.

[Jaime3]

Is there any truth to the Republican rumor mill, concerning certain Republicans wanting a total accounting of all ATF whistleblowers and info?

[Jaime3]

Who's the BEST person to contact if you find out the Agency Attorney withheld evidence in your case?
The Agency went on record stating they couldn't find such evidence, when requested in Discovery.

I know the DOJ Attorneys were busted for this.

[Jaime3]

ALL complaints against ATF and DOJ should be investigated.

ATF and DOJ is known for setting people up to take their jobs but let management get away with the most horrific infractions. All while managers remain untouched or receive transfers after their infractions.
This double standard and abuse has to stop!

Will Jones and Holder be held accountable for encouraging this behavior?

Wasn't the Holder contempt vote: 23 to 18, in favor of contempt?

[Jaime3]

Does anyone know where Eleanor Loos is these days after leaving ATF?
Is she working for a law firm?

[Jaime3]

Look what I found hiding:
http://www.justice.g...-4thqtr/atf.pdf

I bet those Reprisal complaints all have a common denominator.

Are we still wondering why Eric Snowden didn't use his chain of command?
Ppppleeeaaasssee!

This IS what happens when you use your chain.