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[Thor God of Thunder]

Awwwww. Did someone in headquarters get their feelings hurt? No one wanted to upset you guys. We just wanted to be heard and look what you've done. You've taken your ball and went home because the truth you've been covering up and distorting for years is coming out. So sad, but like microscope said, this hasn't even begun yet. More and more of your professional dirty laundry is going to be hung out. The only thing you headquarters people care about is when something affects your personally. Bet you wish you hadn't abused your soldiers so bad, huh General?

This site has only touched on the basics. ATF is too small and everyone knows everyone else's business. If I had been convicted of the PRB of conduct unbecoming an agent within the last 5 years I'd be filing for a restoration of pay and time. A buch of the headquarters crew is getting exposed for their unbecoming conduct but where's their days on the beach? I actually believe that those posting to this site and the webmaster have displayed great restraint it what has showed up. What is seen here is only the tip of the iceberg and we all know it.

Too hot in the kitchen for Loos? Billy's antics? Maybe it was something as simple as Wilford not likeing be called by his real name? Maybe Melson finally read up on his mismanagement being called out? Maybe Holder shut the site down because he has no answer why ATF has not had a Director in 5 years. I think its just because all of you are cowards and will avoid being accountable for what you've done at all costs. Unfortunately blocking this site can't save you from yourselves and your past.

I know that I have wanted to post some of the best salacious HQ Peyton Place stuff and its has been watered down so they are very lucky!!!

[BeenThereDoneThat]

Mr. Melson,
Its unfortunate that you only see the "vitriotic" nature of comments here. Review the comments, allegations and innuendos submitted by Chief counsels Office (under your authority and while representing you)made about career Special Agents and employees. Please dont talk to us about vitriotic. The part you left out, is that the postings are here are confirmed through multiple sources before we allow them to stand. Do you do the same? Has Jay Dobyns EVER been determined to be anything less than competent? Then why were John Torres, Kelvin Crenshaw, Scot Thommasen allowed to disparage his reputation to AUSAs and others? Documented? Is there one shed of information regarding SA Cefalus being a threat to other employees beyond Doctors Gleysteen and Martin saying so? If not, why were they allowed to fabricate such a perception. You start dealing with our abuses in house and fairly, and so will we. We have documents to support 90% of the allegations contained on this website. Lastly, you disappointed many when you openly stated that you were not aware. You received and we can provide proof if need be, a letter outlining the matters contained on the website but completely ignored it. Most of our grievance could have and should have been resolved by a handshake. You may thank Elenor Loos for that not being the case. Stop the attacking and we can stop the defending.

Well said Doc Holiday!!!

It makes good business sense to approach these matters with fairness. ATF is too valuable to be marred by the few upper management/legal counsel that exploit their positions.

[Doc Holiday]

Mr. Melson, Its unfortunate that you only see the "vitriotic" nature of comments here. Review the comments, allegations and innuendos submitted by Chief counsels Office (under your authority and while representing you)made about career Special Agents and employees. Please dont talk to us about vitriotic. The part you left out, is that the postings are here are confirmed through multiple sources before we allow them to stand. Do you do the same? Has Jay Dobyns EVER been determined to be anything less than competent? Then why were John Torres, Kelvin Crenshaw, Scot Thommasen allowed to disparage his reputation to AUSAs and others? Documented? Is there one shed of information regarding SA Cefalus being a threat to other employees beyond Doctors Gleysteen and Martin saying so? If not, why were they allowed to fabricate such a perception. You start dealing with our abuses in house and fairly, and so will we. We have documents to support 90% of the allegations contained on this website. Lastly, you disappointed many when you openly stated that you were not aware. You received and we can provide proof if need be, a letter outlining the matters contained on the website but completely ignored it. Most of our grievance could have and should have been resolved by a handshake. You may thank Elenor Loos for that not being the case. Stop the attacking and we can stop the defending.

[Doc Holiday]

Remember you cannot rule by fear when people are no longer afraid. When Bullys can no longer Bully, they go in hiding. What ever happened to the Ron Nobles of the world. The leadership that would walk into an agency beseiged with problems, roll up his sleeves and fix it. We have gone from "What have you done for this agency today?" to our new motto "What has this agency done for me today"? Its embarrassing when Main Justice demands our long overdue strategic plan to be in compliance with Justice Dept. requirements, and the best we can come up with is WE ARE GOING TO ENFORCE THE GCA, THE NFA AND ARSON AND EXPLOSIVES LAWS. Are you kidding me? We are raising the bar right back to where we started 30 yrs ago? Less costly and wasteful wiretaps fellas. Less headline grabbing faux cases. Cut back on the adopted, number inflating cases. Really Mr. Melson and crew, did I read your testimony before appropriations correctly? Were you actually bragging about a 63% conviction rate? Really? For the better part of my 20 plus yrs, 100% was the standard to beat, with an OCCASIONAL acquittal or dismissal after indictment. What happened to us? Garbage in garbage out. 4 out of every 10 cases are lost in court? Is that what you were bragging about? Better get some real Agents in management and not these self promoting types before we are bragging about a 40% conviction rate in two years.

[Thor God of Thunder]

I equate this to the censhorship that occurs in China. The Chinese government will not allow its people to search Google. ATF will not allow its employess to go on cleanupatf.org....who is worse?

[Doc Holiday]

It is incumbent upon evry Agent who expects accountability to remind everybody that they can still monitor and participate on their personal computers. We are approaching one year at CUATF. Great strides have and will continue to be made. Recent testimony by Mr. Holder before the Judiciary committee. Now is the time to contact Mr. Sessions who is publicly demanding accountability at DOJ. We will be sending a certified letter to Mr. Sessions tomorrow a.m. If Mr. Melson is not interested maybe our elected officials will be. Guess ATF is bored with that whole President Obama transparency thing.

[Enufsenuf]

Ok so if this site has been categorized as "Government/Legal" versus pornographic, gambling, phishing, download etc just to name a few that probably should be blocked then ATF.GOV should be blocked for being "Government/Legal" also as should be DOJ.GOV, DHS.GOV, OPM.GOV, IRS.GOV. Now if they had posted Illegal Government as the reason I could see that!!!!!!! I guess all .org's are going to be blocked from now on.

Gee, I checked the american cancer society which is a .org and that site came up. So it must just be cleanupatf.org.

[Concernedsup]

Ok so if this site has been categorized as "Government/Legal" versus pornographic, gambling, phishing, download etc just to name a few that probably should be blocked then ATF.GOV should be blocked for being "Government/Legal" also as should be DOJ.GOV, DHS.GOV, OPM.GOV, IRS.GOV. Now if they had posted Illegal Government as the reason I could see that!!!!!!! I guess all .org's are going to be blocked from now on.