Jay A. Dobyns

Lots of really bad-will here by ATF. If you don't know Vince you will soon understand that this is not the end, it is just the beginning. He will soon blow the top off of the perjerous testimony and ATF cover up that was used to support ATF's termination decision against him. It is going to be very embarassing for ATF. They don't know what they don't know, but, not for long. Stay tuned, its coming.

Look at how the Atlanta SAC was protected and allowed to retire as an ATF "trailblazer" after lying to federal investigators twice. She was taken care of in the face of felonies. There are lots more examples like that. Lack of Candor appears to be more actionable than outright perjury in ATF's eyes.

Look at ATF holding off discipline for the F&F crew "until the OIG report is released". Now what? Why not give them the "Vince treatment"? Take their badge and gun, all ATF equipment and put them on extended home leave until the final-final internal decisions are made on their conduct? If they can do it to Vince then why not the others? People who contributed to the murders of federal agents and Mexican citizens show up to work everyday but Vin, facing an ATF-built allegation of lack of candor gets fired?

Anyone out there with logic, reason and common sense can see what is going on here.

Think ATF would never try to frame an employee for a crime with zero evidence? Think again. They tried to put me in prison as an arsonist. They can and will play their games below the level of unbelievable corruption. Hey ATF, I still didn't do it.

News Flash. Chief Counsels Office is corrupt. Hundreds of examples, if not thousands, of some the most dirty unethical legal play ever. They conduct government business just like the worst defense attoneys, worse actually because they hide behind the smoke screen that they are righteous and serve justice. Its all coming out and they can't contain it anymore. Lots of huge problems here and hiding them and waiting for them to go away isn't going to work this time.

Vin we have had this conversation but for others who hold hope that mediation will bring you some satisfaction my advise is to steel your heart for disappointment. The first time I tried it Loos told me that as far as I was concerned "I am ATF", that she alone would decide my fate and during the mediation that I better not piss her off. This is no joke. Dewey Webb sat there as the agency rep and barely paid attention spending most of the time on his blackberry. The second mediation the message was sent from Melson and Hoover through Carter, Bouman and Bacon that I could resign or be terminated. That is no joke either. The whole time Carter, Bouman and Bacon were in the adjoining room laughing and yucking it up making sure they were loud enough for us to hear. My wife was with me and when she heard them haveing such a great time and celebrating their droping the bomb on us she just broke down and cried. Best part; leading up to the mediation Bouman kept reassuring my attorney that ATF would arrive and negotiate in good faith. ATF then they stuck me with a $9K mediation bill and told me too bad, so sad. Best part, part II; I learned during depositions that no one who attended the mediation had even been granted settlement authority. Beware. If you get your hopes up for them to treat you right you'll be burned. Guard your heart, your head and your hopes. Maybe Jones and Brandon will handle it differently. We can only hope.

As matter of protocol within the Northern Judicial District of California, AND at the insistence of the U.S. District Court Judge presiding over my civil suit against Eric Holder/ATF et al. we will be attending formal mediation in San Francisco, Ca. On September 28th. We ALL know exactly what this means. There is always of course the tried and true Jay Dobyns version of ATF mediation, "QUIT or be FIRED". We will see. These proceedings are confidential so I will NOT be able to inform the field, but you are really really smart people. It IS however VERY telling that the assigned Assistant United States Attorney insisted that he be allowed to depose me AGAIN, for the 3rd time, one week prior to the mediation but is clearly stonewalling my deposition of Mc Mahon prior to the same mediation. Do not try to apply logic or integrity to this information, ( Our CURRENT leadership does not measure our successes by ethics OR integrity) just take these facts and do with them as you choose.Semper Fidelis, Vince

Quote from the CBS / Atkisson article posted below by Zorro describing ATF "leadership" in a nutshell - always someone elses fault, always someone else to blame, never accept responsibility:

"Since the controversy was first exposed, a divide has developed between the ATF staff in Phoenix who oversaw and implemented Fast and Furious; and their supervisors at ATF headquarters and the Justice Department. The Phoenix officials say higher-ups approved of the case. But the higher-ups say it was all the brainchild of rogue ATF officials in Phoenix."

Lets not beat around the bush.

Those guilty in Fast and Furious are being provided accomodation to leave ATF with a comfortable exit stratagy on thier own terms by our current leadership. It is that easy to understand. Promised accountablity? No. Promised discipline? No. Obama and Holder publicly guaranteed it. Isn't happening. ATF's leadership is making fools of the the President and the AG.

No one needs the OIG report to know who did what. ATF could have taken action against these guys a long time ago but the current leadership is harboring them to retirement. We all see it and we all know it and we are being insulted that they don't think we get what is going on.

Can anyone, anywhere even imagine an agent being given this favor? It would never, ever, ever, never happen. How many agents are currently facing termination and discipline for events not even in the same stratosphere as this?

How much more of this does Jones think that America can stomach? Things aren't getting better they are getting worse. And yes, Jones and crew own this. They can't blame this one on Melson or Hoover. This one wasn't inherited. Someone(s) above the DAD level sanctioned this and furthered it. Maybe ATF can get executive privlige and not turn over the documents and answers demanded by Issa and Grassley in their letter to Jones on this.

At ATF it is much better to be a wrong executive than it is to be a right agent. And people in ATF still want to serve as appologists and tell us that we don't understand the "big picture" and that justice is coming. They are pissing down our backs and telling us its raining. At this point how many ways and times is it even possible to again say "unbelievable"?

I'll now stand down and wait for my days off (again) for posting this message.

Fox feature this morning:
http://video.foxnews...-double-dipping

Tagging on to the points made by Davislowrider:
http://www.humanevents.com/2012/08/23/fast-and-furious-bill-mcmahons-long-vacation/

"McMahon has been on paid leave for the past five months. But don’t worry, he hasn’t been idle. In fact, he’s got a full time private sector executive position, working for one of those eeevil financial institutions the Obama Administration is always claiming they want to crack down on.

That’s right: you, the taxpaying sucker, are forking over McMahon’s government salary while he’s simultaneously raking in big bucks as “Executive Director of the Global Security and Investigations Group” at JP Morgan in the Phillipines. That way, he’ll be able to collect his plush government retirement benefits, even as he gets a half-year head start on his post-Fast and Furious private sector career.

In a completely unrelated coincidence, JP Morgan just happens to be the credit card provider for the ATF. And they’re big-time Obama donors."

Congressional letter to Jones:
“Our most recent joint staff report on Operation Fast and Furious, released on July 31, 2012, scrutinized the role McMahon played in the operation,” says the letter from Issa and Grassley. “We detailed his failure to supervise the activities of the Phoenix Field Division during Fast and Furious, his admitted failure to read important documents he was responsible for authorizing, and his false testimony regarding his role in authorizing applications for wiretaps in the case. Despite these failings, ATF not only continues to keep him on its payroll, but also has authorized him to take several months of annual leave while earning a six-figure salary from ATF and an even larger salary at the same time working in the private sector.”