Look Billy is stepping down 3 levels after the worst failure of senior management since the Waco cover-up. SACs and ASACs across the country are openly stating that the Bureau is broken and out of control. Why aren't they challenging Melson, Hoover and Holder? Well let's see, as Edgar stated, they don't want to commit career suicide. Not good enough fellas. You are SESs. If you do not have the stones to step up either individually or collectively, step down because you are cowards and no one will ever follow or be loyal to cowards. Stop kingdom building. Those of you who ARE running your programs properly should be holding your peers accountable.
Suggestions for the Acting Deputy Director
#201
Posted 21 February 2011 - 11:19 AM
#202
Posted 21 February 2011 - 10:23 AM
#203
Posted 14 February 2011 - 12:07 AM
#204
Posted 12 February 2011 - 09:41 PM
Word is Congress is taking a hard look at the abject and across the board abuses of ATF senior management. Let's don't throw out the baby with the bath water. Save ATF, go through the 5th floor with a push broom. Mr. Melson has opened NOT ONE mechanism to include the field and obviously Mr. Traver is trying to ignore our failing agency.
Mr. Melson/Mr. Traver we are hearing that Phoenix SAC Newell recommended to you that one of his current ASACs replace him, this will ensure nothing changes in the Phoenix FD. With all of the problems exposed in Phoenix please do not let this happen. If the allegations of retaliation against potential whistlblowers is true, you need to change the management in Phoenix. Bring in a proven SAC to address the problems, don't let the problems continue. This is an opportunity for you to make a change, please take it!!
#205
Posted 24 January 2011 - 12:40 PM
#206
Posted 23 January 2011 - 11:45 PM
Andy Traver where are you? You got the nomination and then went underground. Decisions are being made in your abscense that are going to affect your entire tenure as Director. Who is making these for "your" ATF? If you are, from behind the scenes, then is that the type of leadership we can expect. Show your face and get in the game. Hiding waiting for the confirmation process is making you look bad in the eyes of the agents and sending a message that you are just a White House puppet. Get off to a good start and engage the problems. They will soon all be yours and you should be seen andn heard right now on their resolutions.Look, we have had a nominee for months who has sat silent thinking he will ride under the radar of the activities and claim only general knowledge. All these adjustments placing lawyers in what should be solely law enforcement leadership roles are not being done in a vacuum. Nobody not even Melson would dare make senior level changes or pass rulings w/o the incoming Directors blessing. They know they can serve the anti-gun agenda of the administration thru smoke and mirrors, Melson leaves and Traver says Ill have to review these ridiculous policys and promotions or assignments. Why else would the sweeping changes be happening right before a Director is confirmed. How is congress and the gun lobby ignoring the outrageous misrepresntations to the State Department to impede the import of a bunch of old Korean was rifles? The information came out of the same shop Ficaretta now oversee's. The same shop that gave the Washington post skewed trace data (which is against the law ). Just like flooding guns to justify an emergency ruling on multiple sales of long guns. And who authorizes the wholesale straw purchases (Not controlled deliveries)of long guns full well knowing ATF NEVER walks guns, and on that .000000001 percent of the time we do, we arrest the violators and retrieve the firearms.
#207
Posted 23 January 2011 - 08:52 AM
#208 Guest_Corny_*
Posted 20 January 2011 - 08:53 AM
Here is the primary source of the problem of ATF's irrelevance, as I see it. ATF managements overwhelming lack of balls, a.k.a. Leadership. Our top dogs refuse to address failing leaders. The persons in charge of making the hard decisions can't or won't. The acceptance and tolerance of flat out bad bosses has lead to the demise of ATF as we have come to know it. This is why we don't do anything right anymore. Bosses who are only concerned with their next promotion. Bosses who allow their buddies to underachieve at inexcusably pathetic levels. Promotion of people who are not ready for advancement but get the nod to move based on time in a preparatory position and not on performance. One persons view. I could be wrong but I really don't think so. Our leadership is the most demoralizing and moral sucking team in government. The talent in the field can get any job done but when you as a field employee are constantly told "no", undermined, lied to, manipulated and decieved it causes good workers to give up.Our management has turned ATF into an irrelevant laughing stock of law enforcement. Gunrunner, Mexico, Explosives, EEO, Trafficking, TEDAC, Relocations, Budget, Arson, Violent Crime, Protecting the Public, Integrity, Honor as Lawmen, Tracing, NIBIN, Nforce, Etrace, Moral, Loyalty, Ombudsman, Bureau Deciding Official, Special Ops, PGA, SES Management, Leadership. Is even one of those up to the lowest acceptable level of mediocraty? The only way any of this gets repaired is if Senior Management is gutted from the agency or ATF is disbanded. Obama and Holder are deer in the headlights. Lets hope Congress tries getting rid of the cancers before they kill off our agency.
#209 Guest_Epic Failure_*
Posted 18 January 2011 - 11:59 PM
#210
Posted 16 January 2011 - 05:11 PM
Happy Holidays and New Year to the Acting Director and his minions. It is obvious that ATF will have to
actually start doing some management vs. mismanagement since the budget will be so tight in the next couple of years. For some of us, the budget has always been tight! It will be interesting to see what kind of discipline some of these executives have, if any!
#211
Posted 15 January 2011 - 03:12 AM
actually start doing some management vs. mismanagement since the budget will be so tight in the next couple of years. For some of us, the budget has always been tight! It will be interesting to see what kind of discipline some of these executives have, if any!
For Clean Up ATF!
#212
Posted 20 November 2010 - 06:26 AM
For Clean Up ATF!
#213
Posted 16 November 2010 - 08:05 PM
#214
Posted 15 November 2010 - 03:29 PM
#215
Posted 14 November 2010 - 09:14 AM
#216 Guest_Epic Failure_*
Posted 11 November 2010 - 12:44 PM
#217
Posted 11 November 2010 - 09:11 AM
#218
Posted 10 November 2010 - 09:25 PM
#219
Posted 10 November 2010 - 04:09 PM
#220
Posted 10 November 2010 - 02:32 PM
If he is inserting field personnel into the Ombuds office, he HAS to know that anybody chosen by the 5th floor will be immediately suspect. Why not panel the WHOLE field, let them throw their names in the hat and then let the field pick? Two emails and done. Anybody can suggest a name and whoever gets the most votes is it. Wow, novel tranparent idea. It sounds.....SO AMERICAN. Remember Mr. Melson, these people don't HAVE to be in HQ to be effective. Risky move for sure. Wonder if they have the stones?Word is Mr. Melson has acknowledged the extreme ethics violations by the Ombuds office and her feeding confidential information to Ms. Loos and Chief counsel. That's a start. Its unfortunate and Ms. Ketels was probably just following orders from the fifth floor since Ronnie and Billy removed her from DIRECT contact with the director. Read past posts Mr. Melson, this could have been prevented. We predicted it. Now, you're gonna try to rehab trust by putting a couple field folks in there? If you're husband or wife cheated on you, would he or she still be around? I'm certain the are other positions of equal pay etc for Ms. Ketels.
#221
Posted 10 November 2010 - 01:55 PM
#222
Posted 08 November 2010 - 08:45 AM
#223 Guest_microscope_*
Posted 07 November 2010 - 10:30 PM
SOD is run by Marino Vidoli who is as closed-minded as anyone ever discussed on this website. It is his way or you are out the door. It doesn't matter if you are good or right what matters to Marino is if you have blind loyalty for his path. If you don't he'll show you the door and go find a yesman that won't ask questions to take your place. I'm sure he'll be a SAC soon. He fits the prototype.SOD ordered all those new vests for the feild, without checking with anyone. Well guess what, they are too bulky and now the Bureau has to send all those Remington 870s back to get collapsable stocks, becuase Agents can't operate them properly when wearing those vests. What will the cost of those replacements be, app. $150 per weapon, Bureau wide. But yes we do look good in those vests, thanks SOD.
#224
Posted 07 November 2010 - 09:06 AM
Time for some answers to simple questions. I know that Mr. Melson reads this. My suggestion is that he prints a copy and takes it to an SLT meeting and gets some answers. Someone needs to be held accountable for the decision making questioned below:
1. Why all the tunnel vision toward the SW border. Is it because you asked for funding and now have to justify it? There are other enforcement priorities that need some attention.
2. Spanish E-Trace is not more important than fixing a broken N-Force. Does anyone know why an “upgrade” has rendered supervisory review of management logs impossible? Does anyone care? What about the new portal that is not user friendly at all?
3. Why is there no oversight of SOD? New weapons are being ordered that are not suitable for daily concealment by the majority of working agents. Once again an SOD decision that we will have to live with for the next ten years. We are not a one size fits all agency. The new guns are fine if you are in uniform, not street clothes. The new armor is arguably the best available for the military or SRT. Why did you allow one person in SOD to choose that equipment? Was it because he had similar equipment in the military and he forgot that we do something different? Did anyone ask the average agent? Have any of you put it on and attempted to get in or out of a passenger vehicle? Maybe that explains why our SRT rides the rails on the Bearcats, they can exit a vehicle safely either while wearing the armor.
4. Who authorized personnel assigned to HDQTS, yet working from home to receive DC locality pay?
5. Who has authorized the hours of training mandated by SOD. No one will argue that training is necessary and important. The proposed number of hours just in the firearms, tactical and arrest area is excessive. Cleverly, the proposals exempt senior leadership only seen by the field as a way to avoid oversight. Same with the exemption for senior leadership to carry a primary firearm.
6. Why do we have so many agents outside the country? How are they on “the frontline of violent crime”? Seven positions dedicated to Canada and Canada does not trace 100 percent of their crime guns. What do our people do there every day that could not be done electronically? Who is accountable?
SOD ordered all those new vests for the feild, without checking with anyone. Well guess what, they are too bulky and now the Bureau has to send all those Remington 870s back to get collapsable stocks, becuase Agents can't operate them properly when wearing those vests. What will the cost of those replacements be, app. $150 per weapon, Bureau wide. But yes we do look good in those vests, thanks SOD.
#225
Posted 07 November 2010 - 08:51 AM
#226 Guest_madea_*
Posted 12 October 2010 - 06:10 PM
Sorry but Marianne Ketels has never been a "nice enough person". She has a long & distinguished career in ATF screwing the agents behind their backs. I can recall Marianne getting involved in a case involving a charge of discrimination. When she was deposed, even the court reporter commented that she was not telling the truth. Pretty sad when a complete stranger recognizes a lie from a government employee. Marianne has ALWAYS done the bidding of the managers. She runs like a rat to whomever she needs to report an agent to. ALWAYS GET EMAIL FROM KETELS in discovery. You will be amazed at the outrageous comments she makes about the agents.Changing out the Ombudsman is going to have no affect on the dispute process. Marianne Ketels was probably a nice enough person but when her marching orders are to first report complaints to Chief Counsels office and second to Billy Hoover the process is failed before it starts. Loos simply goes into attack mode on anyone that dare challenge managment and Hoover filters and spins all information to cover himself. Unless they have Plott reporting directly to the Director and unless he is allowed to report in an unbiased manner don't expect change or improvement.
#227
Posted 12 October 2010 - 05:46 PM
#228
Posted 12 October 2010 - 09:45 AM
#229
Posted 12 October 2010 - 08:50 AM
#230 Guest_microscope_*
Posted 12 October 2010 - 04:28 AM
#231 Guest_madea_*
Posted 10 October 2010 - 04:17 PM
#232 Guest_Epic Failure_*
Posted 10 October 2010 - 01:05 PM
#233 Guest_madea_*
Posted 09 October 2010 - 07:13 PM
Ah, yes, Wilfred "call me Larry" Ford and the PGA. We still have a surprise for my little buddy. With alot of work, the evidence I have developed showing that Ford's operation assisted Crenshaw in an illegal personnel action should be reviewed shortly by the DOJ. One at a time...WE GAVE HOOVER THE AGENCY AND HE F****D IT UP, LITERALLY AND FIGURATIVELY. FORD HAD PGA AND RAN THAT SHOP INTO THE GROUND SO WHAT DO WE DO (?), GIVE HIM THE ENTIRE INTELLIGENCE BRANCH. CRENSHAW CAME TO DC WITH ALL THE ARROGENCE OF A NEW "UNTOUCHABLE" AND THEN JACKED UP IA SO BAD THAT EVEN HIS OWN BOYS HAD TO SEND HIM HOME TO HIS SECRETARY/GIRLFRIEND AFTER A YEAR. NEWELL COULDN'T RUN A FIELD DIVISION SO WE GAVE HIM A COUNTRY. GILLETT MAY BE ATF'S WORSE ASAC EVER AND THEY'VE LEFT HIM IN CHARGE IN NEWELL'S ABSENCE. IN THE MEAN TIME PART OF THE EXECUTIVE STAFF IS TOURING IRELAND WITH FAMILY AND GIRLFRIENDS ON THE ATF DIME (CHECK IT OUT) THE OTHER HALF IS IN MEXICO SLAPPING EACH OTHER ON THE BACK AND SIPPING FINE TEQUILLA AFTER ANNOUNCIING THEY STOOD UP A TRACING PROGRAM - NO MENTION IT TOOK THEM 3 YEARS AND 58 MILLION DOLLARS TO DO IT. JUST WHEN YOU THOUGHT IT COULDN'T GET ANY WORSE...
#234 Guest_Epic Failure_*
Posted 09 October 2010 - 05:21 PM
WE GAVE HOOVER THE AGENCY AND HE F****D IT UP, LITERALLY AND FIGURATIVELY. FORD HAD PGA AND RAN THAT SHOP INTO THE GROUND SO WHAT DO WE DO (?), GIVE HIM THE ENTIRE INTELLIGENCE BRANCH. CRENSHAW CAME TO DC WITH ALL THE ARROGENCE OF A NEW "UNTOUCHABLE" AND THEN JACKED UP IA SO BAD THAT EVEN HIS OWN BOYS HAD TO SEND HIM HOME TO HIS SECRETARY/GIRLFRIEND AFTER A YEAR. NEWELL COULDN'T RUN A FIELD DIVISION SO WE GAVE HIM A COUNTRY. GILLETT MAY BE ATF'S WORSE ASAC EVER AND THEY'VE LEFT HIM IN CHARGE IN NEWELL'S ABSENCE. IN THE MEAN TIME PART OF THE EXECUTIVE STAFF IS TOURING IRELAND WITH FAMILY AND GIRLFRIENDS ON THE ATF DIME (CHECK IT OUT) THE OTHER HALF IS IN MEXICO SLAPPING EACH OTHER ON THE BACK AND SIPPING FINE TEQUILLA AFTER ANNOUNCIING THEY STOOD UP A TRACING PROGRAM - NO MENTION IT TOOK THEM 3 YEARS AND 58 MILLION DOLLARS TO DO IT. JUST WHEN YOU THOUGHT IT COULDN'T GET ANY WORSE...Ken has no idea what is going on in ATF - leave the man alone. Just find him a good driver and take him for long rides. The attention should be put on Hoover. There are others - like Wilfred "call me Larry" Ford and Kelvin Crenshaw. Let's not forget Willie Newell, a serial discriminator for ATF. He loves to kill the careers of other agents. And the best one of all, Mr. Georgie Gillett. He never stops "screwing" up. These are the guys who are real standouts!
#235 Guest_madea_*
Posted 09 October 2010 - 07:24 AM
#236 Guest_Epic Failure_*
Posted 06 October 2010 - 01:08 PM
EVERYONE INSIDE AND OUT OF ATF CAN SEE WHAT'S HAPPENED. WE ARE ADMINISTERED BY IMPOSTERS WHO HAVE PIRATED ATF. THEY CAN RUN BUT THEY HAVE TOO MUCH DIRTY BUSINESS ON THIER HANDS TO HIDE!The one and ONLY "reasonable" suggestion for Mr. Melson is: Q U I T
If there's a better way to screw up a one car funeral, ATF's senior staff certainly knows how to do it. An agency that hasn't had REAL, honest, dedicated, constructive and professional leadership for over six-years - why do any ATF employees thing anything will be changed? AD FO basically runs ATF - and he's a car wreck in trying to formulate any kind of a decision (guess that's why he relies so heavily on the corruption that permeates the Chief Counsels office like ripe limberger in a subway car on a hot DC day). I think an organization is truely flying the flag of ineptitude when the AD OPRSO is a raging lunatic (with prior investigations) and of the five people that have applied for the DAD position (vacant since August) three are either under, or have been investigated by IA). It's NEVER going to get better as long as ATF remains leaderless and the SLT continues to be dominted by "good-ole-boys" (even some with all their teeth) and criminals (well, it is DC - look down the street and you see Congress).
Happy Trails
#237
Posted 05 October 2010 - 10:11 AM
#238 Guest_Corny_*
Posted 01 October 2010 - 12:07 PM
#239 Guest_Jumper_*
Posted 16 September 2010 - 11:54 AM
#240
Posted 05 September 2010 - 09:37 AM
#241 Guest_Lips_*
Posted 01 September 2010 - 09:23 PM
Melson can't be trusted any more than Loos. He knows that she is cause of nearly every extended grievance at ATF. Yet, he sends his goofy puppet Scott Thomason to publicly refute the allegations made on CNN that Loos teaches ATF Managers to ramp up on agents. Melson and Thomason think that if they say something we believe them. Neither one has any credibility.Melson, like all of the commenters have said, you haven't done what you said you were going to do. The Field is pleading with you but to no avail. Start cleaning house and begin by sweeping out Loos. If you can't fire her, then at least stick her in some closet where she can inflict no more pain on employees who have legitimate complaints.
Melson had his chance and he didn't keep his promises. Thomason will say anything that Larry Ford tells him to even if he knows its a lie, that is also known as spineless. And, all to defend Loos? She has done more to destroy the moral of ATF than any single person in the history of this agency.
Get Melson out and whoever else they want in. Give someone else a chance to make promises and then break them.
#242
Posted 01 September 2010 - 12:03 PM
#243
Posted 01 September 2010 - 05:51 AM
#244 Guest_Lips_*
Posted 31 August 2010 - 08:44 AM
#245
Posted 24 August 2010 - 08:21 PM
The core problem with this agency are the clueless, self important, head hunting managers that have infected ATF from the FO level all the way to crystal palace. There have been multiple generations of bad leaders within ATF. What saved us before was the bad leaders were outnumbered by quality law enforcement oriented leaders. Those generations are long gone and ATF is reaping what it sewed in the 1990’s and early 2000’s. ATF created their own monster by letting the three year wonder agents pull a tour in HQ and come out with 5 years experience, minimal street agent experience and tossing them the keys to an office to run and agents to supervise. Unfortunately, most of the field divisions are being “led” by these 3 year super agents.
As always, I want to note that not all of the managers are cancers and some are out and out top shelf. From my stand point, it has been years since I have worked for a good boss in this outfit.
Mr. Melson you have stated many times that you want to make ATF an exemplary agency. In order to do this, you must make some tough decisions and hurt some people’s feelings. We have been hearing you, but we have not seen any significant changes. Quit listening to the stuffed shirts who have been telling you things are getting better and get out of the crystal palace and talk to the agents and IOI’s on the street. If the people you talk with are worth their salt, they will tell you were the problems are within the chain of command.
Another great suggestion would be to take some of the advice given on this site. Today’s suggestions are the best suggestions I have seen in a long time. I really like the suggestions voiced by Patriot, X1811 and avatar. I think the suggestions make a whole lot of sense and would be a big step towards getting ATF back to being a good police agency. I also think it would be worth the price of admission to see some of the bumbling idiots who have infested the ATF management team actually give up being “carpet cops” and find out if the headlights on their GOV actually work.
#246
Posted 24 August 2010 - 06:15 PM
Wow, you seem to have hit the nail on the head! Concentrating on the core mission tends to make an agency more efficient. Superfluous and collateral missions and projects as you outlined takes an agency away from its strenghts. There is too much duplicity in jurisdictions, missions, and objectives among the many federal and state aagencies that create blurred lines of jurisdiction, turf wars, and angst among those cops and agents in all law enforcement organizations. By cutting the fat, streamlining the bureuacracy, and returning to core values, the ATF and other agencies will benefit from such efficiencies. Yes, let the State Department and FBI handle the foreign operations, reduce financial waste, reduce the levels of management, eliminate redundancies. Good post!
I concur, and hope to add something to this excellent post, by suggesting how it might be taken further.
At the end of the day, the folks who ultimately pull ATF's strings are the folks who fund ATF's operations --- that is, Appropriations. If you look at the language of the funding, you'll see some interesting things; for example, a rider on ATF's appropriations during some years prohibited ATF from disclosing firearm trace data (based on firearm transfer records maintained in part by licensed gun dealers) and multiple handgun sales reports data for any purpose other than supporting a criminal investigation or agency licensing proceeding. But such language can be crafted to apply to darn near anything the Subcommittee wants to target.
Any citizen or group is free to express opinions to Appropriations as to how public money ought to be spent on ATF's mission. ATF has multiple missions that are funded using public money, and the key to influencing ATF's mission is to get to the Appropriations. By "Appropriations" I mean the House Subcommittee on Commerce, Justice, Science of the Committee on Appropriations, House of Representatives. The Chairman of the Subcommittee is Alan Mollohan (WV), the Ranking Minority Member is Frank R. Wolf (VA) address: Room H-310 The Capitol, House of Representatives, Washington, DC 20515, Phone: (202) 225-3351. The best way to communicate is to call and ask to speak with the professional staff member who deals with ATF matters, and take it from there. Appropriations is notoriously difficult to influence, for lots of reasons --- everybody from other Members of Congress on down is looking to get something. The matter of representing ATF and its missions is something critical to understand to be able to hope to influence how ATF is managed, and how institutional missions are prioritized. Sure, the House and Senate Committees on the Judiciary, and the House Committee on Government Oversight and Reform, and the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Government Affairs all have jurisdiction over ATF in some form, the real power is in the budget --- and I would respectfully suggest figuring that into any approach taken towards the reform of ATF.
If you think the CNN coverage of ATF caused grave psychic disruptions on the 5th Floor, if you get CNN poking around into how ATF's budget is divvied up and what gets priority and doesn't, you ain't seen nothin' yet.
If any CleanUpATF suggestions find their way onto the Appropriations agenda, you can bet that ATF managment will receive its blast, and get fried, boiled, roasted and fricasseed for not having acted diligently enough to address valid demands for institutional reforms. Particularly if Appropriations decides to, for example, use report language to urge ATF to address internal personnel matters and knock off doing retaliation (it would be more gussied up than that, more like "resolve internal matters brought to its attention openly and transparently" or something like that. Basically, Appropriations and other report language doesn't bind an agency, it isn't law. It's generally a good idea to comply (which is why report language is now being used to hide earmarks) because if an agency doesn't, the appropriations committee may cut its budget next year.
Finally, with respect, it doesn't help CleanUpATF for people to post with name calling and exhibit unprofessional behaviors. Given the 1st Amendment, and needs for some to blow off steam, it is doubtful that CleanUpATF will be anything like a refereed professional journal in which there is peer review (quality control) over what gets posted.
There's nothing easy about any of this, and I don't mean to come off like tossing off this post and suggesting there is anything easy. I would respectfully suggest that a start would be somehow formalizing the CleanUpATF entity in some fashion, such that CleanUpATF has a credible, knowledgable, politically savvy representative who is willing to take the time to try and work something with Appropriations. The key here is to transform CleanUpATF from what amounts to a huge blog into a key group worth of the attention of the Subcommittee on Appropriations. Find the right professional to represent CleanUpATF, and take it from there.
#247
Posted 24 August 2010 - 04:48 PM
We are in trouble and no one seems willing or able to make the effort to fix it. Mr. Melson, I am sure is well intended, but clearly has been mislead and does not know our culture. I heard him advocate outside employment as long as it is cleared with the ethics attorney’s. He said he does it. He does not recognize the implications. He says we have to run ATF more like a business, yet we continue to waste money on areas so far afield of our core mission. He has not been around long enough to learn from the past and that is evident when he speaks about our future. We are in a financial crisis so let’s talk about saving money. We can only do that when we change the way we do business. No money should be spent on anything not related to our core missions. Simply defined as, cases, defendants, prosecutions and industry compliance. I believe that results in those areas are the only thing that resonates with Congress. Why do we have so many people outside the country? We have no jurisdiction and how necessary is it to our core mission? If we need international support, let’s use State and FBI resources, they can get it done and we would build better partnerships. Mexico makes sense because there is a direct impact on our border. Why so many in Canada, a friendly nation. Can we not accomplish what we need there electronically? Bring everyone back to the US and put them to work doing investigations. How about the K9 program? It was timely and innovative when it was created. The usefulness has run its course. We have supplied so many state and local agencies with K9’s that we do not need our own any more, all we need to do is enforce our agreements with those agencies to support us. Put those agents back to work and stop funding trips to golf tournaments, baseball games and NASCAR races under the guise of high profile events. Why are we funding ethnic and race based conferences that are exclusionary to others, these continue to divide this agency and drain resources. Remember the business model, what is the cost benefit to ATF. Do not institute any new programs that are a luxury. i.e. control and arrest techniques, two classes at FLETC. We have been there before. Good stuff, but not a necessity during fiscal crisis. How about office space? What is the cost difference between cubicles and old fashion desks, might be a wash, but worth looking at. Why do IOI’s who telework maintain office cubicles? Double the cost? There are so many examples of financial waste, I could go on for pages,Mr. Melson, it is time to get serious or you should move on. Focus on what we do best and let the work speak for itself. This agency has always been results driven and the people here will do the job for you if you define it and not spread us thin in the areas that matter. Eliminate all extraneous work and focus on being the domestic violent crime agency and nothing more. Time to get lean and efficient. If you need more ideas on how to save money, just ask the people in the field for suggestions. You are not getting accurate guidance at this time.
Wow, you seem to have hit the nail on the head! Concentrating on the core mission tends to make an agency more efficient. Superfluous and collateral missions and projects as you outlined takes an agency away from its strenghts. There is too much duplicity in jurisdictions, missions, and objectives among the many federal and state aagencies that create blurred lines of jurisdiction, turf wars, and angst among those cops and agents in all law enforcement organizations. By cutting the fat, streamlining the bureuacracy, and returning to core values, the ATF and other agencies will benefit from such efficiencies. Yes, let the State Department and FBI handle the foreign operations, reduce financial waste, reduce the levels of management, eliminate redundancies. Good post!
#248
Posted 24 August 2010 - 12:08 PM
#249 Guest_Jumper_*
Posted 09 August 2010 - 08:57 PM
#250
Posted 09 August 2010 - 08:18 AM
The points of x1811 below are well taken. The last lines though got me. Yes things could be worse. Yes we are lucky to have guaranteed pensions and benefits. But, for so many of us, this job was never about the perks. That's never been enough for ATF Agents and it should not be now. We never compared ourselves to INS, Customs or FBI agents. They compared themselves to us. We might have been cowboys but we kicked serious ass. It sucks being mediocre. I'll leave it at that.
The Agent Haters Club (SAC's and ASAC's, not all of them, about 90%) are meeting in DC this week. Here is what to expect. Everything is fine. We are doing a great job and are well respected at DOJ. We do not harrass or retaliate. Moral is at an all time high. Some moves are going to be made in the near future. They are working on the problems of the agency and doing all that is possible to improve. Be patient, change takes time. We need to cut money and we have sent several ideas on how to do that to main Justice. Southwest border issues are a priority. We don't know what the status of our Director is. DOJ has asked us not to talk about it. We are one big family.
I guess I could keep going but you have all heard it before. It's the SES's broken record. When was the last time any of us heard anything interesting, different, dynamic, aggressive, sincere or even possessing a remote possiblity of creating some inspiration for field agent from any of these guys?
Hey you SES's (again, most, not all) resign and give ATF a chance. Your club is viewed as windbags, liars, cowards, "just say no", insecure, out of touch, never did much but tell great glory stories, pat each other on the backs, vanilla pudding milktoast, bunch of empty suited asskissers who got to where you are by friends not actions, intelligence, experience, leadership or guts. Tell me I'm wrong and I'll list 30 of you right off the top of my head who the previous description would fit like a glove. I'd bet a weeks pay that each of your field divisions gets more done with you guys out of the office this week than it ever would have with you in it.
Lead and do it now or get your sissy punk asses out of the way and let someone else try. Especially you guys who are doing nothing but hanging around waiting for the best corporate opportunity to come your way. You know who you are. So do we.
I made the statement about pensions and benefits just to demonstrate that we, as feds and 1811's enjoy financial security. When you retire, you will appreciate this comment, especially in this economy. It is true that we did not join this job for the benefits. In working with many joint task forces, I met agents from all agencies who do their job for the love of it, regardless of who they work for. Each agent is proud of their agency and it is only natural to protect their turf. But as I stated in my original post, the jurisdiction lines are blurred. We can all come up with anecdotal examples of this issue. I recall a senior agent once telling me that the criminal justice field; territories, crime problems, and jurisdictions are like a huge apple orchard with unlimited fruit to pick. There is no shortage of interesting work for aggressive agents to pursue if they are motivated to work. However, as I discover in these forums; No good deed goes unpunished" (Dr. Soskis). The issues and problems noted on this web site clearly indicates a wide gulf of mistrust between management and agents. Without a strong leader, a Director, these issues will never be resolved and ATF will continue to float in a dark sea of uncertainty. As such, Jumpers statement of Customs, INS, and FBI agents "comparing themselves to us" seems a bit of a stretch. After retirement I did some consulting with human resource professionals about job satisfaction as part of my Masters thesis. One of the criteria used was attrition due to disciplinary problems or negative self esteem in the job. Not surprising was that agencies like the Postal Inspectors, IRS-CID, Secret Service, and the FBI had the lowest attrition rates in Government and high job satisfaction. An empirical study was done to provide reasons why this phenomonon was so prevalent. In each case one of the reason was due to clear lines of communication between management and the field; clearly stated goals, purposes, and objectives; and most of all accountability. These vary from agency to agency, but overall, many of the 1811's in these agencies are pretty satisfied. That translates into low attrition. Let's hope that these problems that plague the ATF will be resolved so that those dedicated agents who believe in their mission will be able to enjoy the fruit of their labor.
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