Ginny Simone's October 12th, 2012 interview with Special Agent Vince Cefalu:
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ATF Unlawfully Fires Whistleblower Vincent Cefalu.
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Posted 13 October 2012 - 12:28 PM
Damn, whats up with the bags under the eyes? Look folks, we have had 4 Internal Affairs Asst. Directors in as many years. All were sent back down two levels for integrity and ethics violations. Nuff said. Do NOT think this is going unnoticed by our elected representatives. Our CURRENT AD of Internal Affairs will not be there long either. To RECAP, he is the one who proactively contacted HQ employees and asked them to fabricate a story regarding how my badges were intentionally destroyed, and did not acknowledge that IS a crime until over a year later after he was asked under oath. And ONLY then reported it to Internal affairs. Notwithstanding being responsible for costing the tax payers Hundreds of thousands of dollars for trying to Fire SA Jim Tokos for blowing the whistle on him and the San Francisco field management staff, (mistakenly, of course, it wasn't even Tokos), and of course could NOT recall over 50 actions he took or what even policies were applicable. I personally like that he went back channel to HQ employees to review documents which had been subpoenad in a criminal trial, and do whatever else he intended to do with said documents. Until Internal Affairs is cleaned out, this Bureau is Dooooomed.
CUATF Webmaster, on 11 October 2012 - 04:31 PM, said:
FRONT PAGE: FOXNEWS.COM:
ATF whistle-blower fired, claims complaints about 'Fast and Furious' played role
By Judson Berger
Published October 11, 2012
| FoxNews.com
A well-known whistle-blower in the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives confirmed to FoxNews.com that he was fired this week, and he claims his complaints about Operation Fast and Furious played a role in his dismissal.
Vince Cefalu said he was served his termination papers Tuesday in a Denny's parking lot in South Lake Tahoe, Calif. But he doesn't plan to go quietly.
"It will be challenged," he said.
Cefalu, who's served as an ATF special agent for 25 years, was first notified of the plan to fire him more than a year ago but had been on administrative leave until now. He said officials told him he was being canned for "lack of candor," in reference to a handful of statements he made in testimony in a separate court case.
However, Cefalu has been outspoken against ATF practices for years and told FoxNews.com that his whistle-blowing on Fast and Furious "was the final straw."
Cefalu was one of the founders of the website CleanUpATF, a virtual platform for complaints about the agency. He was among the first to speak up about Fast and Furious, the failed anti-gunrunning operation that let thousands of guns slip across the U.S.-Mexico border. Weapons from the program were founded at the murder scene of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry.
An inspector general report on the operation released in September was highly critical of both the ATF and officials at the Justice Department.
The ATF, though, has previously denied that it was retaliating against Cefalu.
ATF spokesman Drew Wade confirmed that Cefalu "separated" from the agency on Tuesday, though Wade could not comment further.
"Because of privacy laws and internal policies, we can't talk about personnel matters," he said.
Cefalu's first run-in with higher-ups at ATF came when he objected to what he considered to be an illegal wiretap in a 2005 case unrelated to Fast and Furious, which didn't launch until years later.
He told FoxNews.com last year that those complaints marked "the beginning of the end."
ATF whistle-blower fired, claims complaints about 'Fast and Furious' played role
By Judson Berger
Published October 11, 2012
| FoxNews.com
A well-known whistle-blower in the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives confirmed to FoxNews.com that he was fired this week, and he claims his complaints about Operation Fast and Furious played a role in his dismissal.
Vince Cefalu said he was served his termination papers Tuesday in a Denny's parking lot in South Lake Tahoe, Calif. But he doesn't plan to go quietly.
"It will be challenged," he said.
Cefalu, who's served as an ATF special agent for 25 years, was first notified of the plan to fire him more than a year ago but had been on administrative leave until now. He said officials told him he was being canned for "lack of candor," in reference to a handful of statements he made in testimony in a separate court case.
However, Cefalu has been outspoken against ATF practices for years and told FoxNews.com that his whistle-blowing on Fast and Furious "was the final straw."
Cefalu was one of the founders of the website CleanUpATF, a virtual platform for complaints about the agency. He was among the first to speak up about Fast and Furious, the failed anti-gunrunning operation that let thousands of guns slip across the U.S.-Mexico border. Weapons from the program were founded at the murder scene of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry.
An inspector general report on the operation released in September was highly critical of both the ATF and officials at the Justice Department.
The ATF, though, has previously denied that it was retaliating against Cefalu.
ATF spokesman Drew Wade confirmed that Cefalu "separated" from the agency on Tuesday, though Wade could not comment further.
"Because of privacy laws and internal policies, we can't talk about personnel matters," he said.
Cefalu's first run-in with higher-ups at ATF came when he objected to what he considered to be an illegal wiretap in a 2005 case unrelated to Fast and Furious, which didn't launch until years later.
He told FoxNews.com last year that those complaints marked "the beginning of the end."
Read more: http://www.foxnews.c...##ixzz292GYJJZE
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Posted 13 October 2012 - 12:26 PM
Damn, whats up with the bags under the eyes? Look folks, we have had 4 Internal Affairs Asst. Directors in as many years. All were sent back down two levels for integrity and ethics violations. Nuff said. Do NOT think this is going unnoticed by our elected representatives. Our CURRENT AD of Internal Affairs will not be there long either. To RECAP, he is the one who proactively contacted HQ employees and asked them to fabricate a story regarding how my badges were intentionally destroyed, and did not acknowledge that IS a crime until over a year later after he was asked under oath. And ONLY then reported it to Internal affairs. Notwithstanding being responsible for costing the tax payers Hundreds of thousands of dollars for trying to Fire SA Jim Tokos for blowing the whistle on him and the San Francisco field management staff, (mistakenly, of course, it wasn't even Tokos), and of course could NOT recall over 50 actions he took or what even policies were applicable. I personally like that he went back channel to HQ employees to review documents which had been subpoenad in a criminal trial, and do whatever else he intended to do with said documents. Until Internal Affairs is cleaned out, this Bureau is Dooooomed.
CUATF Webmaster, on 11 October 2012 - 04:31 PM, said:
FRONT PAGE: FOXNEWS.COM:
ATF whistle-blower fired, claims complaints about 'Fast and Furious' played role
By Judson Berger
Published October 11, 2012
| FoxNews.com
A well-known whistle-blower in the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives confirmed to FoxNews.com that he was fired this week, and he claims his complaints about Operation Fast and Furious played a role in his dismissal.
Vince Cefalu said he was served his termination papers Tuesday in a Denny's parking lot in South Lake Tahoe, Calif. But he doesn't plan to go quietly.
"It will be challenged," he said.
Cefalu, who's served as an ATF special agent for 25 years, was first notified of the plan to fire him more than a year ago but had been on administrative leave until now. He said officials told him he was being canned for "lack of candor," in reference to a handful of statements he made in testimony in a separate court case.
However, Cefalu has been outspoken against ATF practices for years and told FoxNews.com that his whistle-blowing on Fast and Furious "was the final straw."
Cefalu was one of the founders of the website CleanUpATF, a virtual platform for complaints about the agency. He was among the first to speak up about Fast and Furious, the failed anti-gunrunning operation that let thousands of guns slip across the U.S.-Mexico border. Weapons from the program were founded at the murder scene of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry.
An inspector general report on the operation released in September was highly critical of both the ATF and officials at the Justice Department.
The ATF, though, has previously denied that it was retaliating against Cefalu.
ATF spokesman Drew Wade confirmed that Cefalu "separated" from the agency on Tuesday, though Wade could not comment further.
"Because of privacy laws and internal policies, we can't talk about personnel matters," he said.
Cefalu's first run-in with higher-ups at ATF came when he objected to what he considered to be an illegal wiretap in a 2005 case unrelated to Fast and Furious, which didn't launch until years later.
He told FoxNews.com last year that those complaints marked "the beginning of the end."
ATF whistle-blower fired, claims complaints about 'Fast and Furious' played role
By Judson Berger
Published October 11, 2012
| FoxNews.com
A well-known whistle-blower in the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives confirmed to FoxNews.com that he was fired this week, and he claims his complaints about Operation Fast and Furious played a role in his dismissal.
Vince Cefalu said he was served his termination papers Tuesday in a Denny's parking lot in South Lake Tahoe, Calif. But he doesn't plan to go quietly.
"It will be challenged," he said.
Cefalu, who's served as an ATF special agent for 25 years, was first notified of the plan to fire him more than a year ago but had been on administrative leave until now. He said officials told him he was being canned for "lack of candor," in reference to a handful of statements he made in testimony in a separate court case.
However, Cefalu has been outspoken against ATF practices for years and told FoxNews.com that his whistle-blowing on Fast and Furious "was the final straw."
Cefalu was one of the founders of the website CleanUpATF, a virtual platform for complaints about the agency. He was among the first to speak up about Fast and Furious, the failed anti-gunrunning operation that let thousands of guns slip across the U.S.-Mexico border. Weapons from the program were founded at the murder scene of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry.
An inspector general report on the operation released in September was highly critical of both the ATF and officials at the Justice Department.
The ATF, though, has previously denied that it was retaliating against Cefalu.
ATF spokesman Drew Wade confirmed that Cefalu "separated" from the agency on Tuesday, though Wade could not comment further.
"Because of privacy laws and internal policies, we can't talk about personnel matters," he said.
Cefalu's first run-in with higher-ups at ATF came when he objected to what he considered to be an illegal wiretap in a 2005 case unrelated to Fast and Furious, which didn't launch until years later.
He told FoxNews.com last year that those complaints marked "the beginning of the end."
Read more: http://www.foxnews.c...##ixzz292GYJJZE
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Posted 13 October 2012 - 12:25 PM
Damn, whats up with the bags under the eyes? Look folks, we have had 4 Internal Affairs Asst. Directors in as many years. All were sent back down two levels for integrity and ethics violations. Nuff said. Do NOT think this is going unnoticed by our elected representatives. Our CURRENT AD of Internal Affairs will not be there long either. To RECAP, he is the one who proactively contacted HQ employees and asked them to fabricate a story regarding how my badges were intentionally destroyed, and did not acknowledge that IS a crime until over a year later after he was asked under oath. And ONLY then reported it to Internal affairs. Notwithstanding being responsible for costing the tax payers Hundreds of thousands of dollars for trying to Fire SA Jim Tokos for blowing the whistle on him and the San Francisco field management staff, (mistakenly, of course, it wasn't even Tokos), and of course could NOT recall over 50 actions he took or what even policies were applicable. I personally like that he went back channel to HQ employees to review documents which had been subpoenad in a criminal trial, and do whatever else he intended to do with said documents. Until Internal Affairs is cleaned out, this Bureau is Dooooomed.
CUATF Webmaster, on 11 October 2012 - 04:31 PM, said:
FRONT PAGE: FOXNEWS.COM:
ATF whistle-blower fired, claims complaints about 'Fast and Furious' played role
By Judson Berger
Published October 11, 2012
| FoxNews.com
A well-known whistle-blower in the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives confirmed to FoxNews.com that he was fired this week, and he claims his complaints about Operation Fast and Furious played a role in his dismissal.
Vince Cefalu said he was served his termination papers Tuesday in a Denny's parking lot in South Lake Tahoe, Calif. But he doesn't plan to go quietly.
"It will be challenged," he said.
Cefalu, who's served as an ATF special agent for 25 years, was first notified of the plan to fire him more than a year ago but had been on administrative leave until now. He said officials told him he was being canned for "lack of candor," in reference to a handful of statements he made in testimony in a separate court case.
However, Cefalu has been outspoken against ATF practices for years and told FoxNews.com that his whistle-blowing on Fast and Furious "was the final straw."
Cefalu was one of the founders of the website CleanUpATF, a virtual platform for complaints about the agency. He was among the first to speak up about Fast and Furious, the failed anti-gunrunning operation that let thousands of guns slip across the U.S.-Mexico border. Weapons from the program were founded at the murder scene of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry.
An inspector general report on the operation released in September was highly critical of both the ATF and officials at the Justice Department.
The ATF, though, has previously denied that it was retaliating against Cefalu.
ATF spokesman Drew Wade confirmed that Cefalu "separated" from the agency on Tuesday, though Wade could not comment further.
"Because of privacy laws and internal policies, we can't talk about personnel matters," he said.
Cefalu's first run-in with higher-ups at ATF came when he objected to what he considered to be an illegal wiretap in a 2005 case unrelated to Fast and Furious, which didn't launch until years later.
He told FoxNews.com last year that those complaints marked "the beginning of the end."
ATF whistle-blower fired, claims complaints about 'Fast and Furious' played role
By Judson Berger
Published October 11, 2012
| FoxNews.com
A well-known whistle-blower in the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives confirmed to FoxNews.com that he was fired this week, and he claims his complaints about Operation Fast and Furious played a role in his dismissal.
Vince Cefalu said he was served his termination papers Tuesday in a Denny's parking lot in South Lake Tahoe, Calif. But he doesn't plan to go quietly.
"It will be challenged," he said.
Cefalu, who's served as an ATF special agent for 25 years, was first notified of the plan to fire him more than a year ago but had been on administrative leave until now. He said officials told him he was being canned for "lack of candor," in reference to a handful of statements he made in testimony in a separate court case.
However, Cefalu has been outspoken against ATF practices for years and told FoxNews.com that his whistle-blowing on Fast and Furious "was the final straw."
Cefalu was one of the founders of the website CleanUpATF, a virtual platform for complaints about the agency. He was among the first to speak up about Fast and Furious, the failed anti-gunrunning operation that let thousands of guns slip across the U.S.-Mexico border. Weapons from the program were founded at the murder scene of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry.
An inspector general report on the operation released in September was highly critical of both the ATF and officials at the Justice Department.
The ATF, though, has previously denied that it was retaliating against Cefalu.
ATF spokesman Drew Wade confirmed that Cefalu "separated" from the agency on Tuesday, though Wade could not comment further.
"Because of privacy laws and internal policies, we can't talk about personnel matters," he said.
Cefalu's first run-in with higher-ups at ATF came when he objected to what he considered to be an illegal wiretap in a 2005 case unrelated to Fast and Furious, which didn't launch until years later.
He told FoxNews.com last year that those complaints marked "the beginning of the end."
Read more: http://www.foxnews.c...##ixzz292GYJJZE
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Damn, whats up with the bags under the eyes? Look folks, we have had 4 Internal Affairs Asst. Directors in as many years. All were sent back down two levels for integrity and ethics violations. Nuff said. Do NOT think this is going unnoticed by our elected representatives. Our CURRENT AD of Internal Affairs will not be there long either. To RECAP, he is the one who proactively contacted HQ employees and asked them to fabricate a story regarding how my badges were intentionally destroyed, and did not acknowledge that IS a crime until over a year later after he was asked under oath. And ONLY then reported it to Internal affairs. Notwithstanding being responsible for costing the tax payers Hundreds of thousands of dollars for trying to Fire SA Jim Tokos for blowing the whistle on him and the San Francisco field management staff, (mistakenly, of course, it wasn't even Tokos), and of course could NOT recall over 50 actions he took or what even policies were applicable. I personally like that he went back channel to HQ employees to review documents which had been subpoenad in a criminal trial, and do whatever else he intended to do with said documents. Until Internal Affairs is cleaned out, this Bureau is Dooooomed.
FRONT PAGE: FOXNEWS.COM:
ATF whistle-blower fired, claims complaints about 'Fast and Furious' played role
By Judson Berger
Published October 11, 2012
| FoxNews.com
A well-known whistle-blower in the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives confirmed to FoxNews.com that he was fired this week, and he claims his complaints about Operation Fast and Furious played a role in his dismissal.
Vince Cefalu said he was served his termination papers Tuesday in a Denny's parking lot in South Lake Tahoe, Calif. But he doesn't plan to go quietly.
"It will be challenged," he said.
Cefalu, who's served as an ATF special agent for 25 years, was first notified of the plan to fire him more than a year ago but had been on administrative leave until now. He said officials told him he was being canned for "lack of candor," in reference to a handful of statements he made in testimony in a separate court case.
However, Cefalu has been outspoken against ATF practices for years and told FoxNews.com that his whistle-blowing on Fast and Furious "was the final straw."
Cefalu was one of the founders of the website CleanUpATF, a virtual platform for complaints about the agency. He was among the first to speak up about Fast and Furious, the failed anti-gunrunning operation that let thousands of guns slip across the U.S.-Mexico border. Weapons from the program were founded at the murder scene of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry.
An inspector general report on the operation released in September was highly critical of both the ATF and officials at the Justice Department.
The ATF, though, has previously denied that it was retaliating against Cefalu.
ATF spokesman Drew Wade confirmed that Cefalu "separated" from the agency on Tuesday, though Wade could not comment further.
"Because of privacy laws and internal policies, we can't talk about personnel matters," he said.
Cefalu's first run-in with higher-ups at ATF came when he objected to what he considered to be an illegal wiretap in a 2005 case unrelated to Fast and Furious, which didn't launch until years later.
He told FoxNews.com last year that those complaints marked "the beginning of the end."
FRONT PAGE: FOXNEWS.COM:
ATF whistle-blower fired, claims complaints about 'Fast and Furious' played role
By Judson Berger
Published October 11, 2012
| FoxNews.com
A well-known whistle-blower in the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives confirmed to FoxNews.com that he was fired this week, and he claims his complaints about Operation Fast and Furious played a role in his dismissal.
Vince Cefalu said he was served his termination papers Tuesday in a Denny's parking lot in South Lake Tahoe, Calif. But he doesn't plan to go quietly.
"It will be challenged," he said.
Cefalu, who's served as an ATF special agent for 25 years, was first notified of the plan to fire him more than a year ago but had been on administrative leave until now. He said officials told him he was being canned for "lack of candor," in reference to a handful of statements he made in testimony in a separate court case.
However, Cefalu has been outspoken against ATF practices for years and told FoxNews.com that his whistle-blowing on Fast and Furious "was the final straw."
Cefalu was one of the founders of the website CleanUpATF, a virtual platform for complaints about the agency. He was among the first to speak up about Fast and Furious, the failed anti-gunrunning operation that let thousands of guns slip across the U.S.-Mexico border. Weapons from the program were founded at the murder scene of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry.
An inspector general report on the operation released in September was highly critical of both the ATF and officials at the Justice Department.
The ATF, though, has previously denied that it was retaliating against Cefalu.
ATF spokesman Drew Wade confirmed that Cefalu "separated" from the agency on Tuesday, though Wade could not comment further.
"Because of privacy laws and internal policies, we can't talk about personnel matters," he said.
Cefalu's first run-in with higher-ups at ATF came when he objected to what he considered to be an illegal wiretap in a 2005 case unrelated to Fast and Furious, which didn't launch until years later.
He told FoxNews.com last year that those complaints marked "the beginning of the end."
Read more: http://www.foxnews.c...##ixzz292GYJJZE
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Posted 11 October 2012 - 04:05 PM
Yeah, they will fire Cefalu, but not the clowns that signed-off on McMahon's pension plus with JP Morgan.
See attached the outside employment document. I have no way to authenticate it, but it looks real to me!
See attached the outside employment document. I have no way to authenticate it, but it looks real to me!
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Posted 11 October 2012 - 02:33 PM
Although you may be constrained, people who obviously know your story and courage are keeping your situation relevant. Know that.
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Posted 11 October 2012 - 11:18 AM
To all,
I am constrained by certain procedural and legal orders demanded by the U S Attorney in San Francisco who has chosen to protect criminal and integrity violations by YOUR leadership rather than represent "their client" the United States Government and the tax payers. They have unlimited resources and do NOT care how they win or how much taxpayer funds they waste in the process.. All I can say is #1 Trust the system you have sworn to serve, it's not perfect but justice generally prevails. #2, I NEVER lied, lacked candor or even stretched the truth in performance of my duties. THAT'S the FACT. The ONLY lying or lack of Candor that has occurred has been consistently at the hands of YOUR leadership, Current and Past and WILL be released to the public at trial or as soon as it is LEGAL to do so. They are TRYING to chill ALL of YOU. Don't let it happen. Be strong and HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE. Vincent A. Cefalu Special Agent Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.
I am constrained by certain procedural and legal orders demanded by the U S Attorney in San Francisco who has chosen to protect criminal and integrity violations by YOUR leadership rather than represent "their client" the United States Government and the tax payers. They have unlimited resources and do NOT care how they win or how much taxpayer funds they waste in the process.. All I can say is #1 Trust the system you have sworn to serve, it's not perfect but justice generally prevails. #2, I NEVER lied, lacked candor or even stretched the truth in performance of my duties. THAT'S the FACT. The ONLY lying or lack of Candor that has occurred has been consistently at the hands of YOUR leadership, Current and Past and WILL be released to the public at trial or as soon as it is LEGAL to do so. They are TRYING to chill ALL of YOU. Don't let it happen. Be strong and HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE. Vincent A. Cefalu Special Agent Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.
Jay A. Dobyns, on 11 October 2012 - 10:51 AM, said:
Lots of really bad-will here by ATF. If you don't know Vince you will soon understand that this is not the end, it is just the beginning. He will soon blow the top off of the perjerous testimony and ATF cover up that was used to support ATF's termination decision against him. It is going to be very embarassing for ATF. They don't know what they don't know, but, not for long. Stay tuned, its coming.
Look at how the Atlanta SAC was protected and allowed to retire as an ATF "trailblazer" after lying to federal investigators twice. She was taken care of in the face of felonies. There are lots more examples like that. Lack of Candor appears to be more actionable than outright perjury in ATF's eyes.
Look at ATF holding off discipline for the F&F crew "until the OIG report is released". Now what? Why not give them the "Vince treatment"? Take their badge and gun, all ATF equipment and put them on extended home leave until the final-final internal decisions are made on their conduct? If they can do it to Vince then why not the others? People who contributed to the murders of federal agents and Mexican citizens show up to work everyday but Vin, facing an ATF-built allegation of lack of candor gets fired?
Anyone out there with logic, reason and common sense can see what is going on here.
Think ATF would never try to frame an employee for a crime with zero evidence? Think again. They tried to put me in prison as an arsonist. They can and will play their games below the level of unbelievable corruption. Hey ATF, I still didn't do it.
Look at how the Atlanta SAC was protected and allowed to retire as an ATF "trailblazer" after lying to federal investigators twice. She was taken care of in the face of felonies. There are lots more examples like that. Lack of Candor appears to be more actionable than outright perjury in ATF's eyes.
Look at ATF holding off discipline for the F&F crew "until the OIG report is released". Now what? Why not give them the "Vince treatment"? Take their badge and gun, all ATF equipment and put them on extended home leave until the final-final internal decisions are made on their conduct? If they can do it to Vince then why not the others? People who contributed to the murders of federal agents and Mexican citizens show up to work everyday but Vin, facing an ATF-built allegation of lack of candor gets fired?
Anyone out there with logic, reason and common sense can see what is going on here.
Think ATF would never try to frame an employee for a crime with zero evidence? Think again. They tried to put me in prison as an arsonist. They can and will play their games below the level of unbelievable corruption. Hey ATF, I still didn't do it.
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Posted 11 October 2012 - 10:51 AM
Lots of really bad-will here by ATF. If you don't know Vince you will soon understand that this is not the end, it is just the beginning. He will soon blow the top off of the perjerous testimony and ATF cover up that was used to support ATF's termination decision against him. It is going to be very embarassing for ATF. They don't know what they don't know, but, not for long. Stay tuned, its coming.
Look at how the Atlanta SAC was protected and allowed to retire as an ATF "trailblazer" after lying to federal investigators twice. She was taken care of in the face of felonies. There are lots more examples like that. Lack of Candor appears to be more actionable than outright perjury in ATF's eyes.
Look at ATF holding off discipline for the F&F crew "until the OIG report is released". Now what? Why not give them the "Vince treatment"? Take their badge and gun, all ATF equipment and put them on extended home leave until the final-final internal decisions are made on their conduct? If they can do it to Vince then why not the others? People who contributed to the murders of federal agents and Mexican citizens show up to work everyday but Vin, facing an ATF-built allegation of lack of candor gets fired?
Anyone out there with logic, reason and common sense can see what is going on here.
Think ATF would never try to frame an employee for a crime with zero evidence? Think again. They tried to put me in prison as an arsonist. They can and will play their games below the level of unbelievable corruption. Hey ATF, I still didn't do it.
Look at how the Atlanta SAC was protected and allowed to retire as an ATF "trailblazer" after lying to federal investigators twice. She was taken care of in the face of felonies. There are lots more examples like that. Lack of Candor appears to be more actionable than outright perjury in ATF's eyes.
Look at ATF holding off discipline for the F&F crew "until the OIG report is released". Now what? Why not give them the "Vince treatment"? Take their badge and gun, all ATF equipment and put them on extended home leave until the final-final internal decisions are made on their conduct? If they can do it to Vince then why not the others? People who contributed to the murders of federal agents and Mexican citizens show up to work everyday but Vin, facing an ATF-built allegation of lack of candor gets fired?
Anyone out there with logic, reason and common sense can see what is going on here.
Think ATF would never try to frame an employee for a crime with zero evidence? Think again. They tried to put me in prison as an arsonist. They can and will play their games below the level of unbelievable corruption. Hey ATF, I still didn't do it.
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Posted 11 October 2012 - 07:03 AM
Shame on ATF and shame on the President.
Everyone knows it's retaliation but yet, no one will step up and help.
You got these people running for office and want to stay in office right? So this is a time and opportunity when they need to put up or shut up!
If Vince petitions the Romney/Ryan ticket, in time for the next debates, he will get the attention he needs.
The Whistleblower Protection was something "Candidate Obama" was a definite for.
So why the Flip Flop now? Let me guess, rhymes with Bolder...
Everyone knows it's retaliation but yet, no one will step up and help.
You got these people running for office and want to stay in office right? So this is a time and opportunity when they need to put up or shut up!
If Vince petitions the Romney/Ryan ticket, in time for the next debates, he will get the attention he needs.
The Whistleblower Protection was something "Candidate Obama" was a definite for.
So why the Flip Flop now? Let me guess, rhymes with Bolder...
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Posted 11 October 2012 - 06:22 AM
Well, they've finally gone ahead and done it. ATF's San Francisco hatchet men just served Special Agent Vince Cefalu with termination papers in the parking lot of a Dennys. They did this over a year and half after proposing the termination. Notwithstanding the transparently trumped-up nature of the so-called "charges" in question, proposing a termination and then excuting it over a year and a half later is prima facie evidence that the action is unsustainable and is virtually certain to be reversed on appeal.
Moreover, the allegations used as a basis for the adverse action are laughably unfounded, deliberately fabricated, and relied largely on the testimony of ATF officials who committed easily-provable felony perjury in open court and later in sworn depositions. I herein predict that a number of the people involved in this grotesque act of bald-faced unlawful retaliation and obstruction of justice will do significant jail time before this is all over.
I will also say with confidence that this was by far the stupidest, most ill-advised course of action that they (ATF management) could possibly have taken in this case. Rather than quietly settling what a mediocre first-year law student would recognize to be a Hindenburg of a losing case (for them), ATF just substantially amplified the damages award that Cefalu will, in my opinion, recover at trial. Talk about stepping in it.
It's well-known that ATF management and their viciously corrupt counsel are, for the most part, brutally self-serving and mean-spirited. But this Cefalu termination is nevertheless surprising in its utter incomprehensibility under the circumstances, from purely legal and elemental federal labor law standpoints. If they had any prayer of making the action stick, they had to do it more than a year ago, before so many additional events have transpired that will render the termination plainly unlawful and inescapably untenable. It's just plain moronic no matter how you slice it.
It seems apparent that ATF's leadership at all levels has degenerated to a pathetic state of paroxysmal, shoot-from-the-hip incompetence. They can't even do the wrong thing right.
Moreover, the allegations used as a basis for the adverse action are laughably unfounded, deliberately fabricated, and relied largely on the testimony of ATF officials who committed easily-provable felony perjury in open court and later in sworn depositions. I herein predict that a number of the people involved in this grotesque act of bald-faced unlawful retaliation and obstruction of justice will do significant jail time before this is all over.
I will also say with confidence that this was by far the stupidest, most ill-advised course of action that they (ATF management) could possibly have taken in this case. Rather than quietly settling what a mediocre first-year law student would recognize to be a Hindenburg of a losing case (for them), ATF just substantially amplified the damages award that Cefalu will, in my opinion, recover at trial. Talk about stepping in it.
It's well-known that ATF management and their viciously corrupt counsel are, for the most part, brutally self-serving and mean-spirited. But this Cefalu termination is nevertheless surprising in its utter incomprehensibility under the circumstances, from purely legal and elemental federal labor law standpoints. If they had any prayer of making the action stick, they had to do it more than a year ago, before so many additional events have transpired that will render the termination plainly unlawful and inescapably untenable. It's just plain moronic no matter how you slice it.
It seems apparent that ATF's leadership at all levels has degenerated to a pathetic state of paroxysmal, shoot-from-the-hip incompetence. They can't even do the wrong thing right.
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