GunnyT

Well said Shadow!!

I applaud the most recent ASAC select ions. I don't know either personally but I understand they are both competent and and tested 14s. Great job to the selecting officials, but I also understand that there were 4 other ASAC jobs that only one, two and maybe ZERO people applied for. If true this is very sad. Incompetent management and the corrupt selections practices of the past have ground down the will of our most senior, qualified, and competent GS14 from even raising their hand to step up to these key (ASAC) leadership positions!

A good topic for a survey Mr Todd and Mr. Brandon. Why are our most capable 14s unwilling to raise their hands and put in for these position? Our days as an agency, sadly, may be waning.

So they're dumbing down the academy and giving out KSA's to move those blacks into upper management positions (again) huh Semper? Don't put that kind of crap out there if you don't have proof to back it up. you are showing your ignorance.

With all of the issues that need to be addressed in this agency it is mindsets like this this will hinder us as an organization from truly moving forward.

And it is my understanding that the only class of agents to be hired and held this year will come from a list of ALL VETS! Will someone in the know please confirm this.

While I have been aware of this site for some time I have only recently explored and read the many postings and forums written over the last several years. I am a long time employee who also loves this agency. I too am beside myself with angered at how my agency has been "hijacked" by the current inept leadership (of various races and sex I may add). But why is everyone so surprised, just now angered about this, and calling for change? Has it just been over the last two or three year that many of you have realized the state of ATF? The path to our current terrain was set on a long time ago but I guess it's just now beginning to affect a broader "population" of employees?

A significant number of ATF's current leadership were born out of the "good ol boy " system of serial promoting of individuals who were anointed or "part of the club." Competence and experience was of no relevance but when a certain disenfranchised group stood up and took matters into there own hands to demand fair treatment I suspect a good number of the posters on this site were at the forefront of criticizing, demeaning, and even actively fighting ( and funding efforts)to thwart those efforts. The "system" did not effect you then. I was just a group of unqualified employees, who aren't qualified to be here any was, trying to get something for nothing.....and just playing the card. It that was/is you though then shame on you.

Well boys and girls the roosters have come home to roost in the form of the Mark Chaits, Bill McMahons, George Gilletts, Joe Riehls, Virginia O'Brien's , Mark Potters and .....oh yes the Kelvin Crenshaws, Larry Fords and Vanessa Mclemores (but get over Vanessa id long gone get over her). Ineptness comes in all flavors.

This should not be about race and your post, Old School, was uncalled for. It appears there is a lot more than just the leadership that needs to be cleaned up in ATF. You/we need to focus on cleaning up our Bureau and not make comments that will cause dissension and divide.

Only a matter of time for the undertones to began to surface right Old School? Those damn black agents!