I'm sorry, I should not have left out Carlos Canino out of the conversation. Short of Pete and Carlos, I can't think of any other supervisor who has stuck his or her neck out like those two have. Thank you Pete and Carlos for what you have done. You make us proud and give us hope.

Only one currently comes to mind - Peter Forcelli. Longhorn, I get your point, but please do not look over what Pete did and the price he had and continues to pay.

Vince, Keep on hanging tough my friend. Just know you have the full support of many, if not most of us grunts out here throughout the nation. If or when you are comfortable with sharing the details given by management for your proposed removal, I would love to hear what they based your lack of candor on (as reported this morning by CBS News). The "Lack of Candor" vehicle for firing ATF employees seems to be growing in popularity with the ATF management team. I heard of another SA out of Chicago, Jeff Litman, a dedicated and honest SA with over 22 years of service to ATF, who was removed from service under the same guise just a couple of months ago. His story would be laughable, just as yours is I'm sure, if he were not removed from duty and fighting for his career back. I really hope that the ATF management team comes to it's senses before it's too late. Too many people in Congress, as well as the American people, are watching this circus freak show we call ATF. Our management team could easily start to correct the grave mistakes they recently have made. The first steps would include accepting liability and shouldering responsibility. I know that is hopeful thinking, but if you dream - dream big! Good luck to you Vince (with the way our management conducts business, I'm sure ultimately you will not need it!) Respectfully, Reddog

Broken ATF SA, Very insightful comments on the state of affairs we find ourselves as employees of ATF. And Avatar, very good suggestions. I am going to follow your suggestion and write to Mr. Issa, Mr. Grassley, and my State representatives, on both sides of the political spectrum. Maybe if enough of us yell from the mountain tops, somebody will hear us. Reddog out!