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Posted 14 July 2011 - 11:08 PM

My best to Agent Cefalu!!! I will be making those calls on his behalf!!! If the corruption involved in the Government's Case against "Road Dog" needs to be fully exposed in order to right this injustice....so much the better!!!!!

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Posted 09 July 2011 - 10:06 PM

With due respect to John Boy's curiosity I would suggest that Vince not reveal anything publicly that he is not ready to reveal on his own terms. Those that know you and 1000's more that don't are content to let you work this through on your own terms. You are making the right moves so trust your instincts.

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Posted 09 July 2011 - 03:34 PM

First of all, thank you for your kind words. There are MANY ATF Agents who have stood up and continue to do so and I am proud for that. I knew they would. As for my "crumpled shirt", I ironed it myself, (looked good to me). As for the $1000 suits, I got mine at a yard sale for 75 cents, thank goodness they only filmed above the waste because it didn't come with pants. I had cut-offs on.But you are absolutely right about one thing, they do not want me anywhere near the fifth floor, because there WOULD BE ACCOUNTABILTY.


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Could you please post the allegations they claimed to fire you, if they ever presented them to you. I know they have been after you for a while and it would be very informative to see the written charges they have come up with over the past several years.

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Posted 09 July 2011 - 11:37 AM

First of all, thank you for your kind words. There are MANY ATF Agents who have stood up and continue to do so and I am proud for that. I knew they would. As for my "crumpled shirt", I ironed it myself, (looked good to me). As for the $1000 suits, I got mine at a yard sale for 75 cents, thank goodness they only filmed above the waste because it didn't come with pants. I had cut-offs on.But you are absolutely right about one thing, they do not want me anywhere near the fifth floor, because there WOULD BE ACCOUNTABILTY.

I'm not in law enforcement and I don't know Mr. Cefalu. But in my life's experiece over 52 years, I'm pretty good at sizing people up. Granted, I've only seen Mr. Cefalu on broadcast TV, I get the sense the man is honest and what you see is what you get, like Ronald Reagan on the one hand and Sean Penn on the other.

I think what any government or private organization needs is more people like Mr. Cefalu, not glib, silver-tounged, fast-on-their-feet, $1,000 suit wearing snakes living by the motto, "On my honor I'll do my best to take for myself and _ _ _ _ the rest."

I'm pro-law enforcement but I have to say, I'm repulsed and angry at the ATF/FBI/CIA/DEA. I know there are a lot of good people in all of those agencies but MKULTRA, WACO, Ruby Ridge, 9-11 and recently F&F gives a citizen like myself great concern that the management of these organizations has been really dysfunctional and out of control for a long time. I know there are facts I am not aware of but the facts I am aware of gives me a reasonable impression that the heirarchy of these agencies is systemically clusterfarked. Yet, we need these organizations but we also need them to function properly.

That being said, I am 1,000 percent behind the rank-and-file agents of all the aforementioned agencies who are wired like Mr. Cefalu is evidently wired.

It took a lot of the right stuff to put himself in the line of fire and pull the shades up allowing the sun to shine on the asinine F&F operation.

I'm from Chicago. Born and raised and I can tell you one thing we don't need in Washington D.C. is the Leftist/Marxist Chicago Democrat Way. These people are the worst possible people to be at the levers of power at this time (not that there is a good time). Any means will justify there ends. I am not so gullible to think that they are doing nutty stuff like F&F just in AZ. Observing the Chicago Democrat modus operandi over many years has shown if they are capable of doing this, they are capable of doing stuff that weakens the country in multiple spheres of influence. While they make you less secure, they make it there business to make sure they grow more secure.

I'm not so gullible to believe powermongers only eminate from Chicago. Thing is and I think I read it here, "When you smell smoke, you don't wait around for yor pants to catch on fire.". The Chicago Dem "combine" has had total, unobstructed control of Chicago and IL for so long, they really believe they are masters of the universe. Yet, look what they have done to Chicago & Illinois. They have destroyed it. Some might point out IL Republicans have had a hand in it and that is true. However, for the most part in IL, Republicans are "Republicrats".

Sorry for the long post.

Thank you again Mr. Cefalu. You are a true patriot, Sir.


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Posted 09 July 2011 - 10:18 AM

But Vince was fired and they all received, at least the SES'ers, huge bonuses last year while perpetuating F&F. Deny deny lie shred and blame the street agent- right Vince?

None will lose their job and most likely they will all give themselves more huge tax payer funded bonuses this year for a job well done. That has always been the ATF way. No one in ATF management was terminated after knowingly sending 4 agents to their deaths after Waco.

The ATF culture remains the same and history will repeat itself

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Posted 09 July 2011 - 09:36 AM

Vince, this is not intented to minimize the suffering you are having right now with fighting off the fraudulent termination but rest assured, as bad as your days have been Virginia O'Brien, Julie Torres, Mark Chait, Billy Hoover, Ken Melson, Bill McMahon, Bill Newell, Scott McCampbell, George Gillett, Jim Needles, Jeff Voth are all having a much worse time that you are. You can count on that.

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Posted 08 July 2011 - 08:17 PM

I agree with you that Vince is a true patriot and that IL is a Dem state. It is true Chicago has a history with corruption but this web site is not about blaming Democrats or Republicans. It is only about holding people accountable.

Duly noted and to be sure there are many, many Democrats across the land who are loyal to the laws of the land. I wish only to point out the Chicago philosopy and influence is not a good thing in my humble opinion. It was not my intent to get political R vs D but I really don't know how else to say beware of the Chicago Democrats. Regards, CO. P.S. I completely agree it's about accountability.

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Posted 08 July 2011 - 06:35 PM

I would be remiss if I did not address at least one or two issues that have come up since Mr. Melson and his private attorney finally testified. First, WHY is there a need for Chairman Issa to caution Eric Holder to NOT retaliate against Ken Melson so as not to cause a chilling effect? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? ATF does NOT retaliate or participate in reprisals. NOT my words, this was Mr. Melsons position on NATIONAL television. Mr. Weich told Congress ON NATIONAL television, that DOJ does not retaliate. They are quick to say it until it happens to them, enter Edgar Domenech. ITS SICKENING. Finally, Mr. Melson has single handedly with the help of Hoover, Chait, McMahon and Chief counsels Office and his entire Executive staff destroyed the credibility of this proud agency. DO NOT, blame the FBI, (cant believe I even said that) or DEA. You are the ATF Director and this is an ATF specific scandal. Dont try to spread the responsiblity or accountability. THATS NOT LEADESHIP.

Well said Vince.

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Posted 08 July 2011 - 06:33 PM

I'm not in law enforcement and I don't know Mr. Cefalu. But in my life's experiece over 52 years, I'm pretty good at sizing people up. Granted, I've only seen Mr. Cefalu on broadcast TV, I get the sense the man is honest and what you see is what you get, like Ronald Reagan on the one hand and Sean Penn on the other.

I think what any government or private organization needs is more people like Mr. Cefalu, not glib, silver-tounged, fast-on-their-feet, $1,000 suit wearing snakes living by the motto, "On my honor I'll do my best to take for myself and _ _ _ _ the rest."

I'm pro-law enforcement but I have to say, I'm repulsed and angry at the ATF/FBI/CIA/DEA. I know there are a lot of good people in all of those agencies but MKULTRA, WACO, Ruby Ridge, 9-11 and recently F&F gives a citizen like myself great concern that the management of these organizations has been really dysfunctional and out of control for a long time. I know there are facts I am not aware of but the facts I am aware of gives me a reasonable impression that the heirarchy of these agencies is systemically clusterfarked. Yet, we need these organizations but we also need them to function properly.

That being said, I am 1,000 percent behind the rank-and-file agents of all the aforementioned agencies who are wired like Mr. Cerfalu is evidently wired.

It took a lot of the right stuff to put himself in the line of fire and pull the shades up allowing the sun to shine on the asinine F&F operation.

I'm from Chicago. Born and raised and I can tell you one thing we don't need in Washington D.C. is the Leftist/Marxist Chicago Democrat Way. These people are the worst possible people to be at the levers of power at this time (not that there is a good time). Any means will justify there ends. I am not so gullible to think that they are doing nutty stuff like F&F just in AZ. Observing the Chicago Democrat modus operandi over many years has shown if they are capable of doing this, they are capable of doing stuff that weakens the country in multiple spheres of influence. While they make you less secure, they make it there business to make sure they grow more secure.

I'm not so gullible to believe powermongers only eminate from Chicago. Thing is and I think I read it here, "When you smell smoke, you don't wait around for yor pants to catch on fire.". The Chicago Dem "combine" has had total, unobstructed control of Chicago and IL for so long, they really believe they are masters of the universe. Yet, look what they have done to Chicago & Illinois. They have destroyed it. Some might point out IL Republicans have had a hand in it and that is true. However, for the most part in IL, Republicans are "Republicrats".

Sorry for the long post.

Thank you again Mr. Cefalu. You are a true patriot, Sir.

I agree with you that Vince is a true patriot and that IL is a Dem state. It is true Chicago has a history with corruption but this web site is not about blaming Democrats or Republicans. It is only about holding people accountable.

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Posted 08 July 2011 - 06:19 PM

Vince your interviews have been excellent. They'd never let you have a job on the 5th floor because your suit is crumply, your shirt is not monogrammed, you don't wear cufflinks, you don't have the right dress shoes and hair style and more importantly you would run circle around the idiots who call the shots that they are afraid to let anyone around who knows anything about the street. Except maybe JT, FOrd, Thomasson and Martin. I read thier article and was very imprssed with how wonderful they are - NOT! Counterfiets.

I'm not in law enforcement and I don't know Mr. Cefalu. But in my life's experiece over 52 years, I'm pretty good at sizing people up. Granted, I've only seen Mr. Cefalu on broadcast TV, I get the sense the man is honest and what you see is what you get, like Ronald Reagan on the one hand and Sean Penn on the other.

I think what any government or private organization needs is more people like Mr. Cefalu, not glib, silver-tounged, fast-on-their-feet, $1,000 suit wearing snakes living by the motto, "On my honor I'll do my best to take for myself and _ _ _ _ the rest."

I'm pro-law enforcement but I have to say, I'm repulsed and angry at the ATF/FBI/CIA/DEA. I know there are a lot of good people in all of those agencies but MKULTRA, WACO, Ruby Ridge, 9-11 and recently F&F gives a citizen like myself great concern that the management of these organizations has been really dysfunctional and out of control for a long time. I know there are facts I am not aware of but the facts I am aware of gives me a reasonable impression that the heirarchy of these agencies is systemically clusterfarked. Yet, we need these organizations but we also need them to function properly.

That being said, I am 1,000 percent behind the rank-and-file agents of all the aforementioned agencies who are wired like Mr. Cefalu is evidently wired.

It took a lot of the right stuff to put himself in the line of fire and pull the shades up allowing the sun to shine on the asinine F&F operation.

I'm from Chicago. Born and raised and I can tell you one thing we don't need in Washington D.C. is the Leftist/Marxist Chicago Democrat Way. These people are the worst possible people to be at the levers of power at this time (not that there is a good time). Any means will justify there ends. I am not so gullible to think that they are doing nutty stuff like F&F just in AZ. Observing the Chicago Democrat modus operandi over many years has shown if they are capable of doing this, they are capable of doing stuff that weakens the country in multiple spheres of influence. While they make you less secure, they make it there business to make sure they grow more secure.

I'm not so gullible to believe powermongers only eminate from Chicago. Thing is and I think I read it here, "When you smell smoke, you don't wait around for yor pants to catch on fire.". The Chicago Dem "combine" has had total, unobstructed control of Chicago and IL for so long, they really believe they are masters of the universe. Yet, look what they have done to Chicago & Illinois. They have destroyed it. Some might point out IL Republicans have had a hand in it and that is true. However, for the most part in IL, Republicans are "Republicrats".

Sorry for the long post.

Thank you again Mr. Cefalu. You are a true patriot, Sir.

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Posted 08 July 2011 - 10:09 AM

I would be remiss if I did not address at least one or two issues that have come up since Mr. Melson and his private attorney finally testified. First, WHY is there a need for Chairman Issa to caution Eric Holder to NOT retaliate against Ken Melson so as not to cause a chilling effect? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? ATF does NOT retaliate or participate in reprisals. NOT my words, this was Mr. Melsons position on NATIONAL television. Mr. Weich told Congress ON NATIONAL television, that DOJ does not retaliate. They are quick to say it until it happens to them, enter Edgar Domenech. ITS SICKENING. Finally, Mr. Melson has single handedly with the help of Hoover, Chait, McMahon and Chief counsels Office and his entire Executive staff destroyed the credibility of this proud agency. DO NOT, blame the FBI, (cant believe I even said that) or DEA. You are the ATF Director and this is an ATF specific scandal. Dont try to spread the responsiblity or accountability. THATS NOT LEADESHIP.
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Posted 08 July 2011 - 08:30 AM

From the July 5th Grassley/Issa letter following the Director's testimony, "According to Mr. Melson, he and ATF's senior leadership team moved to reassign every manager involved in Fast and Furious, from the Deputy Assistant Director for Field Operations down to the Group Supervisor." Pray tell us, why was secondhander McMahon the decision maker in the ultimate personnel action against Cefalu when the Agency's Director admittedly lost confidence in his management abilities?

Oh my Eleanor, it's not looking good.

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Posted 08 July 2011 - 06:05 AM

From the July 5th Grassley/Issa letter following the Director's testimony, "According to Mr. Melson, he and ATF's senior leadership team moved to reassign every manager involved in Fast and Furious, from the Deputy Assistant Director for Field Operations down to the Group Supervisor." Pray tell us, why was secondhander McMahon the decision maker in the ultimate personnel action against Cefalu when the Agency's Director admittedly lost confidence in his management abilities?

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Posted 07 July 2011 - 06:50 PM

Sleep well america! ATF has apparently attempted to put guns in the hands of every violent thug south of the border, but you can rest easy knowing that Agent Vince Cefalu is unarmed and off the streets.

Hang in there Vince, your 'comparables' are mounting daily. I know I'd hate to be the one who had to explain to a judge why you're not fit to be an agent, but those people are fit to run the agency. I'm embarrassed for Loos already.

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Posted 06 July 2011 - 11:03 PM

Vince your interviews have been excellent. They'd never let you have a job on the 5th floor because your suit is crumply, your shirt is not monogrammed, you don't wear cufflinks, you don't have the right dress shoes and hair style and more importantly you would run circle around the idiots who call the shots that they are afraid to let anyone around who knows anything about the street. Except maybe JT, FOrd, Thomasson and Martin. I read thier article and was very imprssed with how wonderful they are - NOT! Counterfiets.

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Posted 05 July 2011 - 03:37 PM

Vince,

I want to thank you for your exposing to the world how a majority of ATF managers treat those employees who tell the truth to power! A person like Vince is needed on the 5th floor!

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Posted 04 July 2011 - 11:18 PM

HAPPY BIRTHDAY AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted 02 July 2011 - 09:52 PM

Recent media appearances by Whistleblower ATF Special Agent Vincent Cefalu:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1xu1QvnTo0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIV_iUmFyfA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jU-mSjfIwI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJyB94nqIDQ


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Posted 01 July 2011 - 08:30 PM

Jay Dobyns is interviewed on Gun Radio, by David Codrea. The interview begins in the 2nd segment; he talks mainly about Special Agent Vince Cefalu, but also about his experiences. Worth a listen here:

http://www.nbc1260.com/WARTHU.mp3

The edited version with just Jay's segments and no commercials is here (courtesy of the CUATF.org Webmaster):

http://cleanupatf.org/downloads/2011_06_30_The_War_on_Guns_Guest_Jay_Dobyns.mp3


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Posted 30 June 2011 - 08:12 AM

The 5th floor can't stay out of their own way. What were you guys thinking? Doom on you.

Tomorrow is going to be a great day for the good guys!

Be sure to tune into to see Vince Cefalu speak the truth on Fox's Lou Dobbs Tonight 4p pacific / 7p eastern

and

Fox's O'Rielly Factor 5p pacific / 8p eastern.

Vince is carrying the torch for reform and accountability at ATF. And for anyone whining that Jay and Vince just have each others back on this (straight off the 5th floor today) that is the first thing you've gotten right in a long time. We do.



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Posted 30 June 2011 - 04:46 AM

And for anyone whining that Jay and Vince just have each other's back on this (straight off the 5th floor today) that is the first thing you've gotten right in a long time. We do.


Quite a novel concept. Maybe some think it is a trait unique to the SES legion? Intellectual superiority and all that ....
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Posted 30 June 2011 - 12:07 AM

Tomorrow is going to be a great day for the good guys!

Be sure to tune into to see Vince Cefalu speak the truth on Fox's Lou Dobbs Tonight 4p pacific / 7p eastern

and

Fox's O'Rielly Factor 5p pacific / 8p eastern.

Vince is carrying the torch for reform and accountability at ATF. And for anyone whining that Jay and Vince just have each others back on this (straight off the 5th floor today) that is the first thing you've gotten right in a long time. We do.

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Posted 29 June 2011 - 07:03 PM

Jumper, I just read your post - ATF has an ETHICS attorney now???!!!!! And Loos is it???!!! Oh my. I just don't even know what to say about that.

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Posted 29 June 2011 - 05:33 PM

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Here ya go.

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Posted 29 June 2011 - 04:42 PM

I wasn't clear. This was a request to the Webmaster.

I needed to find a new home for my comment and since the Dobyns Effect is closed this is the next most logical place.

Don't agree with the shut down on that topic but I don't have s**t to say about how the webpage is run.

Could you at least repost those pictures of the burned out Dobyns home to remind everybody how ATF treats you when you call their baby ugly. Melson ordered the counter suit against him and Hoover sat by and watched the house smolder. Newell and Gillett tried to frame Jay as the suspect in the murder of his family. If that is not retaliation then the term needs to be redefined.



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Posted 29 June 2011 - 04:00 PM

I needed to find a new home for my comment and since the Dobyns Effect is closed this is the next most logical place.

Don't agree with the shut down on that topic but I don't have s**t to say about how the webpage is run.

Could you at least repost thosse pictures of the burned out Dobyns home to remind everybody how ATF treats you when you call their baby ugly. Melson ordered the counter suit against him and Hoover sat by and watched the house smolder. Newell and Gillett tried to fram Jay as the suspect in the murder of his family. If that is not retaliation then the term needs to be redefined.

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Posted 29 June 2011 - 12:12 AM

The short version is " Lack of Candor". Anyone who knows me knows I have many characters flaws. Lacking candor is NOT one of them. I don't lie, I have never lied under oath or in an Official capacity. I apologize for not posting sooner. Vincent A Cefalu

Vince, Well ole pal, so sorry they fired you,(again). Seems the uni-brain within HQ will never learn. And with Eleanor Loos giving the HQ fools her legal advice plenty of SES will be out of work with you very soon. (HQ Fools, you have been repeatedly warned of Loos' lack of ethics. She will sell all of you out. Remember Brad Buckles had her job during the aftermath of WACO, advising the 2 Dans on how to properly word their lies. They were kicked to the curb, but he kept his job. Then he schemed his way to the top only to fall taking his 'ATF ethics atty Monique Korn with him.

Lacking Candor, No that does not describe the Vince I've known since '96. Besides, Lack of Candor would be more of a "subjective" judgement, not a reason to fire someone. And who made this judgement? Surely not some of those HQ Upper Managers who share a Lack of Ethics, and a Lack of Integrity!

I'd like to see just one HQ SES Manager step up to the podium to speak the truth. HQ SES Managers, where is your integrity?

Hang tough Vince. This is far from over. Every time a firearm turns up, every time DOJ tries to manipulate the minions of ATF's elite SES management, more ugly truths will become apparent.

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 11:39 PM

I just wanted to say how proud I am of everyone who participates on this website. For the past couple of years, it's been very difficult to find ANYTHING to be proud of when it comes to ATF, except it's street agents, and a few supervisors. Before ATF, I was a local cop, and I must say I miss the tremendous support that an FOP provides. Unfortunately, ATF cannot form an FOP, so the forming of this website has been an incredible vehicle that brings us together. I want to help out more, so I'm letting everyone know, if you are fighting our corrupt leadership, please feel free to reach out to me for financial help. I honestly feel that most, if not all members of this site would be more than willing to help out anyone with the financial costs of defending yourself. If you do need help, don't be afraid to ask. I personally feel that a fund should be set up, for those that need help. I would be willing to routinely donate money to this fund. The thought of anyone being financially ruined because you are fighting for your life, makes me sick. If a defense fund is a good idea, I'm in.

HI YOU CAN JOIN THE FOP! I have been with ATF for a very long long time, and have been part of the FOP the entire time! The FOP came to the aid of ATF SA Will Clark during his ordeal in the US Virgin Islands. Join the FOP. Be a part of something that is good, supportive, and understands the insanity we are forced to deal with from our topsy turvy HQ managers.



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Posted 28 June 2011 - 03:22 PM

First I want to thank you folks for what you are doing to expose the corruption in the agency.
I have been reading this blog since It was brought to my attention by the Sypsey Street blog.

I had a hard time streaming the Fox News link So I looked around and found the same video on You Tube. It may help more people to see this story so I have passed on this link to other sites.



Again thank you all for fighting the good fight.

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 02:39 PM

ATF, DOJ, Holder, Obama - you guys better get right quick and settle your bad business with Cefalu. You done pissed off the wrong ATF Agent.

Here is Vince's media line up (as of now) for the next week (all times are Pacific):

  • Wednesday, 6/29 @ 10:30 am: NRA Radio With Ginny Simonie
  • Wednesday, 6/29 @ 11:30 am: Lou Dobbs Radio - Fox Radio Network
  • Thursday, 6/30 4:00 pm: Lou Dobbs - Fox News National
  • Saturday 07/02 @ 7:00 am: Fox and Friends - Fox News National
  • Tuesday 07/05 @ 2:30 pm: Fox Business Channel (stay tuned for network show)
I really didn't think it was possible for DOJ/ATF to make a bigger public relations mistake than they did by denying "Fast and Furious" but, as always, they never cease to amaze me. The nation and media are immensely interested in how a career public servant can be so openly subjected to retaliation. Most especially in the wake of numerous personal warnings from members of Congress not to retaliate. And, just wait until the real story comes out on the frame-job they did on him to enact his termination.

This is just getting started people.

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 02:12 PM

I am making it my business to cogently tell anyone that will listen about SA Cefalu and F&F.

I'm getting the don't talk politics stink-eye by many that over hear me at the 'ole watering hole but I don't care.

This thing is big and it's bad.

I've called everyone in government I can think of calling.

I don't do it often but with something like this I get ADD over it.

I'm very courteous and even tempered when I call and I put on my Barry White voice.

I get the sense from the little that's said on the other end of the line and the silence I get, they're getting lots of calls and this thing is going to mushroom and it's not going to end well for the usual suspects up the flag pole.

Mother of g-d, if Weinergate can reach it's proper end, so should this being a million times worse.

In the spirit you make your own luck, good luck, Mr. Cefalu.

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 02:12 PM

I just wanted to say how proud I am of everyone who participates on this website. For the past couple of years, it's been very difficult to find ANYTHING to be proud of when it comes to ATF, except it's street agents, and a few supervisors. Before ATF, I was a local cop, and I must say I miss the tremendous support that an FOP provides. Unfortunately, ATF cannot form an FOP, so the forming of this website has been an incredible vehicle that brings us together. I want to help out more, so I'm letting everyone know, if you are fighting our corrupt leadership, please feel free to reach out to me for financial help. I honestly feel that most, if not all members of this site would be more than willing to help out anyone with the financial costs of defending yourself. If you do need help, don't be afraid to ask. I personally feel that a fund should be set up, for those that need help. I would be willing to routinely donate money to this fund. The thought of anyone being financially ruined because you are fighting for your life, makes me sick. If a defense fund is a good idea, I'm in.

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 12:53 PM

looks like The Blaze (Glenn beck's website) picked up on Vince's termination http://www.theblaze....-whistleblower/

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 11:21 AM

If ATF just wanted to get Vince, they would wait until the timeline wasn't so obvious. They certainly want to harm Vince, but they also want to scare everyone else into silence, which is the reason the retaliation always comes immediately. That is and always has been their main point. Those who do not want ATF to get bad press truly love the agancy, I have no doubt, but when they come after you and you no longer feel the love, who will you have to stand with you? And believe me, you don't have to do anything to anyone in power, you may just be in the wrong place at the wrong time, so do not think it can't happen to you. And those who have made both sides mad are generally the ones who get hit the hardest. Stick your head in the sand if you must, but would you at least like a kick in the butt when it's your time to run?

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 10:26 AM

That was a great piece on Fox today. As a retired ATF agent, I'm absolutely disgusted by the turn of events taking place here. For those of you who are whining about how this site is hurting ATF agents on the street, grow up! Will hiding your heads in the sand really help a damned thing? When are you going to wake up to the fact that the Emperor of ATF has no clothes? Vince Cefalu may not present the 3-piece-police image or message that many in ATF management want to portray, but saying he shows a "lack of candor" is absurd. You know, this never would have happened had those morons running the San Francisco Field Division back around 4-5 years ago not started their personal vendetta against Vince. Yes, I'm talking about you Martin, Gleysteen and others. If we want to talk about presenting a good face, would that be Martin who carries around his pony tail from 20 years ago in his one big case, shows it to all who will look and brags about how much of a bad-ass he was? Or would it be Gleysteen who used to be a straight-up agent until Martin came to town and apparently convinced him to tow the line or else? I only hope that you morons who find the actions of Martin, Gleysteen and others acceptable, finally personally realize what your arrogance and stupidity unleashed when trying to screw with a good agent simply because he didn't buy off on your line of b.s. ATF was a great agency with fantastic, honorable agents. It's really too bad that more of them didn't join the ranks of management thus keeping some of the current cast of characters out of those positions. They are not honorable (despite their self-love). They are fools. And what's really sad is that it's THEIR actions, not those of upright agents like Vince Cefalu that have brought shame on the agency I used to love to work for.

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 09:44 AM

Here's the video after a 30 sec commercial for anyone who hasn't seen it yet: http://video.foxnews...aylist_id=86858

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 09:20 AM

ATTN: ATF SENIOR EXECUTIVES, CHIEF COUNSEL'S OFFICE AND "MANAGEMENT" TEAM:

Did you happen to catch SA Cefalu's interview with Fox News' (stunning) Martha McCallum today? The one with House Oversight Committee Chairman Congressman Darrel Issa on the other side of the split screen?

In a way, we hope that you continue to press blindly ahead with your asinine, tunnel-visioned strategy vis-à-vis the proposed Cefalu termination. The gauntlet has now been well and truly thrown down, and you and your feckless attack dog former ambulance chasers (no offense to the real, honorable service canines out there) have perhaps the most momentous decision of your careers to make. A decision that, in all likelihood, could determine whether you will be collecting a federal paycheck in the not-so-distant future. And that is the "best-case" scenario.

We're fairly certain that you are so jaded, entrenched and arrogant that none of this "reality" nonsense will intrude upon your alternative universe. But surely even you ostriches can at least vaguely discern the writing on the wall. If you think that you are going to make a principled, powerful and relentless man like Congressman Issa lose face, you are sadly deluded.

SES Directors...it's time to take re-assume the helm of your rudderless ship. Your Chief Counsel's Office, IA Directorship, and much of your senior field management are a den of despicable harlots and self-serving cutthroats. Order that cabal of nattering, damnable muckrakers and evildoers to sit down and shut up, and exercise a modicum of genuine leadership for a change, even if it may already be too late. Step up, jettison the obviously failed CYA strategy, settle your debts to Cefalu, Dobyns, et al, swiftly, fairly and honorably, and commence the long, arduous and necessary task of reforming ATF in meaningful way that will enable it to do America's business with skill and distinction.

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 07:55 AM

That's very true Jay - it does indeed have a very chilling effect on the entire agent population and it's meant to. And sadly, ATF has been doing the IA and Chief Counsel thing for as long as I, or anyone else, can remember because there are never any true consequences for those who get caught. All my witnesses were retaliated against immediately and the anointed ones, and all those who stood with them, were promoted. The promotions of those who jump in bed with them also have a chilling effect on agents everywhere. Even after Waco, Harnet was allowed to retire - he wasn't fired and did not lose his pension. And keep in mind that Waco was the second time he had been caught perjuring himself and conspiring to cover-up, not the first time. And all those who stood with him and lied, did well also. They got promotions as fast as my witnesses were fired or suspended. It would have been comical had not so many good and decent people been hurt for doing nothing more than telling the truth. Fortunately, when a case does get into a federal court, Loos has to sit down and shut up (and what a blessing that is). And obviously, not many U.S. Attorneys want to jump onto the bandwagon with these buffoons. I hope you guys don't have to go that far in the process. But know if you do, that the busier they are with you, the less time they have to spend terrorizing others. I used to take great solace in that.

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 07:19 AM

In my opinion the termination of Vince Cefalu was never really about his firing. It is about sending a message to every ATF Agent in the land that if you dare speak up your job will be on the line and you will be fired at the will of Melson and Hoover with Chief Counsels Office and Internal Affairs doing their dirty work. They sadly underestimated the tenacity and resillency of Vince. There was no reason or excuse for them to do that. Those qualities are the same that brought in the hundreds of cases with thousands of defendants over the years. Of all people to not mess with, Vince should have been #1 on their list. They are trying to send the message through their treatment of Vince that if you even consider speaking to the OIG, Congress or publicly you will lose your job and your pension. They want to cause some pause in the minds of every ATF single employee trying to make the decision to step out and tell the truth. Intimidation and fear for self-preservation in the purest and transparent sense. It hasn't worked on Vince Cefalu. Heroes take many forms at ATF. They place themselves in harms way doing all types of work that is dangerous and stressful for those they serve - the American public. Vince has done that for 25 years. He has run towards dangerous situations while others run away. Heroes also dare to speak the truth in the face of personal, professional and financial hardship at the hands of our management. Vince is doing that too and doing it faster, harder and better than anyone ever has. Holder, Melson, Hoover - just do the right thing. Settle Vince's business and move forward.

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 06:11 AM

Casual Observer - I agree with Zorro 100% - there is no "mere" citizen. You are why we do our jobs. Without citizens to protect we at ATF don't have a job to do and our mission is worthless. Thank you for speaking out. You are one of the millions of "mere citizens" that the Vince Cefalu's of ATF have committed their entire professional lives to protect. Vince and us others at ATF have not always succeeded in our goals but most of us have always done our best to provide you the service and protection that you deserve. I know I speak for Vince when I say that it has been our honor to try and keep you safe. We will continue to try to do so. Regardless of the flawed stratagies that our leadership may employ we will not give up on any of you. That is why Vince is still at the forefront of telling the truth even with his career clearly on the line. He is an example of every good ATF who will not stop doing what you pay us to do.

I am merly a citizen.

I want to say, when I heard about "Fast & Furious" and read as much as I could find on it, I was dumbstruck.

The night I first read about it, I lay in bed thinking about what possible rational could the ATF heirarchy have for developing such a nutty operation. I could think of none and eventhough I was cognizant of the possibility that I may not be privy to factors that might perhaps make such an asinine idea as to putting guns in to the hands of drug cartels in another country, my better judgement told me this thing is FUBAR.

I am telling everyone I know about this. I have called Sen. Durbin & Rep. Davis and expressed my disgust.

To Agent Cefalu, Thank You!!

I have no idea who you are and what you've done in your career, but I admire a man who is fed-up with a culture of corruption perpetrated by manipulators and users in expensive suits and taxpayer funded Limos who have never been shot at.

Rod Blagojevich was found guilty today in Chicago which is pretty amazing. If the "fix" isn't in, he may be facing hard time. That may mean there are a lot of people in Chicago and D.C. who aren't sleeping tonight for fear Rod Blagojevich might be asking for a lifeline in reduced sentencing in return for finally co-operating.

In my 54 years on this planet, I've found things happen in multiples. And, I'm praying that after your appearance on FOX Tues. a shit storm hits the criminals at ATF like they have never seen before and that all the guilty are punished.

This thing isn't Democrat, Independent or Republican it is EVIL and it is wrong.

God Bless You! & God Bless all the rest of the honorable men and women of the ATF

-CO



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Posted 28 June 2011 - 04:30 AM

I am merly a citizen. Merely? That means you probably have more sense than most of the people your taxes finance.


Rod Blagojevich was found guilty today in Chicago which is pretty amazing. If the "fix" isn't in, he may be facing hard time. That may mean there are a lot of people in Chicago and D.C. who aren't sleeping tonight for fear Rod Blagojevich might be asking for a lifeline in reduced sentencing in return for finally co-operating. Perhaps he and King George can share a room - or not.... it is the rich guy/politician prison after all. Perhaps they will share a golf cart?


This thing isn't Democrat, Independent or Republican it is EVIL and it is wrong. Thank you for "getting it". Please tell your friends and co-workers. We need you.


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Posted 27 June 2011 - 10:44 PM

I am merly a citizen. I want to say, when I heard about "Fast & Furious" and read as much as I could find on it, I was dumbstruck. The night I first read about it, I lay in bed thinking about what possible rational could the ATF heirarchy have for developing such a nutty operation. I could think of none and eventhough I was cognizant of the possibility that I may not be privy to factors that might perhaps make such an asinine idea as to putting guns in to the hands of drug cartels in another country, my better judgement told me this thing is FUBAR. I am telling everyone I know about this. I have called Sen. Durbin & Rep. Davis and expressed my disgust. To Agent Cefalu, Thank You!! I have no idea who you are and what you've done in your career, but I admire a man who is fed-up with a culture of corruption perpetrated by manipulators and users in expensive suits and taxpayer funded Limos who have never been shot at. Rod Blagojevich was found guilty today in Chicago which is pretty amazing. If the "fix" isn't in, he may be facing hard time. That may mean there are a lot of people in Chicago and D.C. who aren't sleeping tonight for fear Rod Blagojevich might be asking for a lifeline in reduced sentencing in return for finally co-operating. In my 54 years on this planet, I've found things happen in multiples. And, I'm praying that after your appearance on FOX Tues. a shit storm hits the criminals at ATF like they have never seen before and that all the guilty are punished. This thing isn't Democrat, Independent or Republican it is EVIL and it is wrong. God Bless You! & God Bless all the rest of the honorable men and women of the ATF -CO

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Posted 27 June 2011 - 06:47 PM

The buzz saw known as Vince Cefalu will be back at it tomorrow morning on FOX! Spread the word!

10am hour eastern / 7am hour pacific

America’s Newsroom with Bill Hemmer and Martha MacCallum - FOX News Channel

This should be good.

ATF, for the record this show pulls a 3 Million viewership audience share. Ouch!

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Posted 27 June 2011 - 06:19 PM

Another quote from ATF from the article. I guess Drew Wade is the new Scott Thomasson:

"ATF spokesman Drew Wade denied in a statement to FoxNews.com that the bureau is retaliating, but he declined to comment about Cefalu's case. “ATF will not comment on specific, ongoing personnel matters. It is illegal to use disciplinary actions to retaliate against employees, and ATF does not engage in such improper reprisals.”


Who told Wade to say that? It had to be Thomasson. Mr. Wade, let us educate you for a moment - THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT ATF DOES AND HAS DONE FOR YEARS!!! Are you stupid or just the next media puppet?

Read more: http://www.foxnews.c.../#ixzz1QWcieG82


Am sure this has been stated here before but time to be said again:

Did not ATF pay out over $250,000 to the victims of S Thomasson's destructive, vindictive and discriminatory behavior? Was he not immediately promoted to a higher position after ATF paid out this tax payer provided money to his victims? Why wasn'yt he fired if this is in fact the truth/b]



[b]Why was Crenshaw suddenly removed from his position and promoted back to SAC? Word is major issues, possibly criminal, were suspected. What happened in that IA investigation?


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Posted 27 June 2011 - 05:24 PM

Another quote from ATF from the article. I guess Drew Wade is the new Scott Thomasson:

"ATF spokesman Drew Wade denied in a statement to FoxNews.com that the bureau is retaliating, but he declined to comment about Cefalu's case. “ATF will not comment on specific, ongoing personnel matters. It is illegal to use disciplinary actions to retaliate against employees, and ATF does not engage in such improper reprisals.”


Who told Wade to say that? It had to be Thomasson. Mr. Wade, let us educate you for a moment - THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT ATF DOES AND HAS DONE FOR YEARS!!! Are you stupid or just the next media puppet?

Read more: http://www.foxnews.c.../#ixzz1QWcieG82

FOX News article on Cefalu's termination notice:

http://www.foxnews.c...-whistleblower/



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Posted 27 June 2011 - 03:53 PM

ATF's illegal, immoral and completely fabricated "case" against Vince Cefalu made the front page ("above the fold") of the Fox News website today.

They really kicked over a hornet's nest this time. Geniuses.

When you enemy is committing suicide, get the Hell outta the way.


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Posted 27 June 2011 - 03:52 PM

FOX News article on Cefalu's termination notice: http://www.foxnews.c...-whistleblower/
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Posted 27 June 2011 - 10:22 AM

Vince Cefalu on Fox's America's Nightly Scoreboard. More media is coming. The journalists of America can plainly see how wrong it was for ATF to terminate Vince. Stay tuned for more press in the near future. http://www.foxbusine...aylist_id=87066

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Posted 27 June 2011 - 10:14 AM

The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is. - Winston Churchill Hang in there guys - I predict ATF will take another massive hit on this one and I for one will be cheering you on! Sending prayers and well wishes your way. Sandy

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 10:46 PM

FACT: 25 years ago at the ATF National Academy, Vince Cefalu and Billy Hoover were classmates and both were candidates for the "Ariel Rios" award. The award is presented to the person displaying the greatest qualities of leadership and is voted on by classmates only. Vince won. Billy went on to climb the corporate ladder in ATF and rose to the position of Deputy Director. Vince stayed in the trenches and made the cases that build a strong and respected agency. While Billy was polishing his cuff links, Vince was sleeping in fleabag motels on operations meeting with the nastiest criminals in America.

Now Vince is facing termination at the hands of Billy Hoover, and Hoover himself remains untouched after he permitted and oversaw Operation "Fast and Furious". Hoover's crime? He permitted the murder of U.S. Federal Agents and Mexican civilians to take place while in a position to prevent that from happening. Vince's crime? He spoke out against Hoover and Ken Melson. You be the judge.

FACT: Melanie Stinnett is the Assistant Director of ATF's Internal Affairs. She was hand-selected by Ken Melson to administer that directorate. Melson (an attorney) stated that Stinnett (an attorney) was "uniquely qualified" to serve in that position. Stinnett is the person who signed off on the railroading investigation that is being used to take Cefalu's job. Melson hates CleanUpATF. Melson hates Cefalu. So, Melson's puppet, Stinnett, builds a frame-job case with half-truths and outright lies to appease her boss, who she owes the favor to.

The public is all over this. So is the media, Congress and ATF employees. The ATF strategy is to leverage Cefalu against his pension and force him to retire before the termination takes place. That is cold, hard fact provided by a headquarters insider. Stinnett has compromised the integrity of an office that absolutely must have the very highest level of integrity in the agency. When the truth is told on this, Stinnett must leave ATF, and so must her half-hearted investigations team.

Vince Cefalu is not the enemy of ATF; Melson and Hoover are.




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