Former DD Domenech was so outraged at the mismanagement and the future of the Bureau that he was compelled to act at great risk to his career. Fact one, he did it anonymously. Fact two he didnt say word one until he was run out for disloyalty. Fact 3 You have not heard word one of his big whistleblower complaint since he got paid. Wow miraculous fix. The abuses are gone Bureau all better. Guess Domenech never was out to cleanup this place and just wanted his money. The war college? Pleeeeeeeease.
July 2009 Archives
ATF Resident Agents-in-Charge (RAC's), Assistant Special Agents-in-Charge (ASAC's) and Program Managers were all once Special Agents. As managers, they have an even higher obligation to promote and uphold the integrity and credibility of the Bureau. One of the most significant duties of a Special Agent or Manager is to truthfully testify in criminal, civil and administrative matters in a credible and professional manner. Inability or failure to do so should at a minimum (according to the ATF/DOJ mandatory policies), result in demotion or other severe disciplinary action, or more appropriately, permanent removal from government service.
However, in practice and as a matter of unofficial ATF policy, a vastly lower standard of performance and ethical accountability applies to ATF management officials at all levels. The following excerpts from sworn deposition testimony given by an active ATF Assistant Special Agent-in-Charge and Senior Executive Service candidate, glaringly illustrate an extraordinary absence of basic competence and/or honesty. Nevertheless, this individual is reportedly being seriously considered for even higher management posts within ATF. In such a position, this person would be called upon to make critical policy decisions affecting public and agent safety, to testify under oath before congressional or other bodies, and to effectively represent the Bureau and Department of Justice in a wide range of serious matters.
As will be immediately apparent, this ATF manager's testimony can only be described as pathetically embarrassing, unprofessional, incompetent and devoid of credibility. The sheer number of "I don't know" or "I don't recall" answers involving matters that were under this manager's direct and recent control is not only bizarre but deeply disturbing. Any ATF field Agent who demonstrated such a profound ignorance of ATF policy and crucial matters that fell within his direct professional responsibility, would no longer be carrying a gun or badge, and most likely be flipping burgers for a living.
When reading this deposition transcript, it is important to keep in mind that all of the questions asked and answered related to:
- Actions, events and policy decisions that directly involved the manager giving the sworn testimony;
- Actions, events and policy decisions involving a veteran Special Agent who was under the testifying manager's direct and immediate supervision. While under the manager's supervision, that agent led a major federal felony criminal investigation involving multiple federal and local law enforcement agencies with which the manager had numerous contacts;
- Recent and substantial violations of a wide range of mandatory Bureau policies and procedures that the manager was personally responsible for knowing about and enforcing.
ACTUAL SWORN DEPOSITION TESTIMONY BY ATF ASAC:
Q. Do you recall at any time [Special Agent XXX] coming to you, personally talking to you about his concern that he was being treated differently because of his age?
A. I had no recollection of any such act, and if he had, that's the type of thing that I would remember. I would have also done something about it, too. People trying to tug the investigation in one direction or another. And it concerned me.
Q. Did he talk to you at that time about the police department trying to get a state wiretap?
A. I do not recall, but I do know that that was discussed during the course of investigation. I don't know if we discussed that during that particular conversation.
Q. Did [Special Agent XXX] tell you that he had - he opposed the task force trying to get a state wiretap?
A. I don't specifically remember.
Q. Did [Special Agent XXX] tell you that most of the arguments were, or discussions for which he might have used profanity or been aggressive about had to do with his opposition to the task force using state wiretaps in the PD's office?
A. I don't have -- as I commented before, I don't have a specific recollection of the issue.
Q. Did you consider the possibility that the Police Department and/or the XXXXX County District Attorney's office was complaining about [Special Agent XXX] behavior because of his opposition to their attempting to get a state wire tap, or his opposition or complaint that they contacted an ATF informant behind his back?
A. I can't answer that with a simple yes or no.
Q. So did you consider that possibility that the police department and the DA's office was complaining about him more to get him off or out of his case manager or case agent position in that task force?
A. I don't know.
Q. So after -- was there anything else that [Special Agent XXX] told you about this conversation with the Chief of Police?
A. I think that -- I don't specifically recall.
Q. Did [Special Agent XXX] tell you that [Mr. XXX] had told [Special Agent XXX] that he didn't realize that that e-mail was going to management, he thought it was only going to so-called the street agents?
A. He may have. He may have.
Q. Did [Special Agent XXX] tell you that [Mr. XXX] X told [Special Agent XXX]that it was to bust their chops or to make fun of them for not showing up?
A. I don't remember that specifically.
Q. The question was whether you were ever told by [Special Agent XXX] that [Mr. XXX] said that in joke to basically bust their chops for not showing up at a convention?
A. I don't recall ever being told that this was a joke, and nobody in LA division perceived it as a joke, and anybody in management that read it didn't perceive it as a joke.
Q. Who did you talk to in the LA division other than XXXX about their perception of what that
A. My recollection is one of them during the casual -- at least one of them was, I think, XXX...
Q. The other person you said you talked to was not a supervisor?
A. I think I talked to one or two other people who were not supervisors.
Q. But you don't recall their names at this time?
A. No.
Q. To your knowledge, did the agency lose money or waste money because someone didn't show up at that convention?
A. I don't know.
Q. Is it true that the content of [Special Agent XXX] e-mail -- was it true that someone failed to show up when they should have?
A. I don't know if that is the case.
Q. Could you estimate for me how many special agents and supervisors are in the LA field division?
A. I don't know the answer to that.
Q. Was it clearly in excess of XXX?
A. It could be.
Q. Did you ever tell [Special Agent XXX] that [Special Agent XXX] had not intended to send it to the entire division but only to a few agents?
A. I don't recall. I mean, I guess I could have during some period of time, but I don't specifically.
Q. Do you have a recollection today that you discussed that issue?
A. I don't. It could have come up during the conversation.
Q. Do you recall any other specific complaints about [Special Agent XXX] conduct, things that he had done? I know you talked about hostility and vulgarity and abrasive thing, but I'm asking if there's any specific things that he hit anybody, anything like that?
A. During that meeting?
Q. At that meeting, the November XX meeting.
A. At that meeting, I don't remember any other specifics that could have been discussed.
Q. This incident about not smoking or [Special Agent XXX] smoking was told to you by XXX?
A. I think so.
Q. Do you know whether [Special Agent XXX] asked [Special Agent XXX] about that smoking incident?
A. I don't know if I did. I would assume that he could have.
Q. Did [Special Agent XXX] report back to you that he had, in fact, talked to [Special Agent XXX] about that smoking altercation?
A. If he did, I don't recall it, but it's possible. It was -- it's possible he did.
Q. Regarding that smoking altercation, do you recall that [Special Agent XXX] was alleged to have grabbed his crotch and said, "smoke this"?
A. I don't recall anything like that.
Q. Do you recall --
A. I don't recall [Special Agent XXX] being like that.
Q. But you don't recall telling the SAC that Mr. XXX had grabbed his crotch and said, "smoke this," to somebody from the XXXXX police department?
A. I don't recall that, no, I'm sorry.
Back on the record. Mr. XXX, you're still under oath.
A. Okay, I would like to --
Go ahead.
A. I'd like to clarify the last answer I gave. Regarding the smoking comment. I'm not...
Q. Did you hear it from [Special Agent XXX]?
A. I don't recall where I heard the comment from.
Q. Do you recall who made the allegation that [Special Agent XXX] made those comments?
A. I don't recall.
Q. Did he talk to you during that briefing that he had opposed the police department's attempt to get a state wiretap?
A. I don't know. I don't believe so.
Q. Do you recall [Special Agent XXX] ever telling you that the police department and DA's office were going to blame him for things because of his complaints about their conduct of that investigation?
A. No.
Q. Do you know whether Officer XXX was ever reinstated to that task force?
A. I don't know.
Q. Do you know whether a state wiretap was actually achieved in that XXXXXX investigation?
A. I don't know. Eventually we did part ways.
Q. When did you part ways with the task force?
A. I don't know.
Q. Was it sometime in early XXXX?
A. It could have been.
Q. Was it a few weeks after or a few months after?
A. I don't recall.
Q. Who was it that told the task force that ATF was pulling out?
A. Who told the task force?
Q. Yes.
A. I don't know.
Q. So what was it specifically that you were not seeing eye to eye on?
A. I don't recall there being one specific issue.
Q. After you parted ways, isn't it true that ATF undercover agents continued to be involved in undercover activities with the target of the XXXXX investigation?
A. That may be correct. The American Graffiti case occurred under my watch and that was with XXXXX as the supervisor.
Q. Did XXXXXXX talk to you about taking Mr. XXXXX off the Graffiti operation?
A. I don't have a recollection of that.
Q. During the time of the Graffiti investigation, [Special Agent XXX] was an and then it was -- what was his grade when he started out in the Graffiti investigation; do you know?
A. I do not know.
Q. Do you know whether he got a promotion during that time?
A. I don't know.
Q. Did you talk to [Special Agent XXX] about that same evaluation?
A. I don't recall.
Q. Do you recall whether [Special Agent XXX] changed the language of that evaluation?
A. I don't recall.
Q. The question is, do you recall that transfer taking place?
A. I do recall the transfer. I don't believe so. I don't recall him being -- I don't recall that.
Q. When you talked with [Special Agent XXX] on the telephone did you always use your work cell phone?
A. I don't know.
Q. Was [Special Agent XXX] going to be assigned to that initiative with the Sacramento police department?
A. I don't know what XXXXXX envisioned.
Q. Was there any specific investigation that that person would be assigned to? I mean, [Special Agent XXX] would be assigned to when he was transferred?
A. I don't know.
Q. Did [Special Agent XXX] identify a specific work that he needed Mr. XXXXX to do?
A. I believe so.
Q. What was that?
A. I don't know. I don't recall what it was.
Q. Do you recall whether that work was going to be done in the Sacramento field office?
A. No, I don't know what that assignment was.
Q. Did [Special Agent XXX] tell you that whatever assignments [Special Agent XXX] may have in the Sacramento field office, would be office work only, that is, he wouldn't be outside the office?
A. I don't remember what the assignment was, so the answer is no, I don't recall.
Q. Did you have any concern about his time and attendance, actually putting in work hours?
A. I don't recall that, but it could have been an issue for XXXXXX. It may have been one of his
Q. Let's stick to the transfer for now. Who specifically at the ELRB did you talk to about the transfer?
A. I don't specifically recall because there were a number of people coming and going, so I'm not sure.
Q. What were you checking with the ELRB about regarding the transfer?
A. I don't know if I checked with them as much as let them know what the field division was doing.
Q. When was [Special Agent XXX] placed back in Stockton?
A. I don't know.
Q. So [Special Agent XXX] XXXX was responding to your suggestion that [Special Agent XXX] XXX be transferred to Sacramento?
A. I think that's probably accurate.
Q. Did you then decide how [Special Agent XXX] would be closely supervised by someone in Houston?
A. I don't recall that, having that specific conversation
Q. Are you aware as to whether [Special Agent XXX] had any discussion with people in Houston about detailing Mr. XXXX to Houston?
A. I don't know.
Q. Who at ATF headquarters made that decision?
A. I don't know.
Q. Among the people at ATF headquarters who would have the authority to do that?
A. I don't know.
Q. Was [Special Agent XXX] name provided as a person who would go to Houston detail from his field division?
A. I don't know, I would assume so.
Q. Was someone else from this field division sent on that Houston detail?
A. Not that I'm aware of.
Q. Headquarters required us to submit a name.
A. Who at headquarters required that? I'm not sure.I think the request came originally from field management staff.
Q. Who is your contact in the field management staff?
A. I don't know who it was at the time.
Q. Did you have a conversation with XXXXXX regarding Mr. XXXXX detail to Houston?
A. I don't specifically recall. I think I would have to answer, no.
Q. Did it ask for just one recommendation or any number of recommendations?
A. I don't recall.
Q. Did it ask for a specific number of volunteers?
A. I don't recall.
Q. Did it tell you how many people would be detailed under this message to Houston?
A. I don't recall.
Q. What was your understanding? Were there people to be assigned to Houston detail first to come from volunteers or from the recommended names?
A. I don't know.
Q. So when you say that he is threatening to other people, you're not saying that in a safety sense; is that true?
A. I can't answer that with a yes or no. Threatening can come in different shapes and forms. You can intimidate somebody and scare the bejesus out of them.
Q. Tell me specifically what people who have told you that [Special Agent XXX] intimidated them or threatened them in some way. What it is that [Special Agent XXX] did to cause that intimidation or threat?
A. I believe it was the general way he carried himself in regards to his interpersonal relationships with them.
Q. What do you mean by that? Specifically, what did they tell you that he did or related to that relationship or how he conducted himself?
A. That I heard things such as he's kooky
Q. Did you investigate further or interview anyone who called him kooky?
A. I did not conduct an investigation.
Q. Is it true that the XXXX Police Department and the XXXXX County DA was upset because you arrested one of the targets they intended to do a wire tap on?
A. I don't know if this is true or not.
Q. Do you know that the police department or DA's office was upset because you had arrested someone that they had wanted to collect evidence from?
A. I don't know that's the case.
Q. Did the police department or DA's office have any problems with the arrest that ATF made in that investigation?
A. I don't know.
Q. What is the criteria to receive a medical exception?
A. I do not know the exact criteria.
Q. Are you aware that [Special Agent XXX] had actually qualified for his weapon using the FAT system?
A. That he had? Yes. No, I was not aware of that.
Q. What does FAT stand for anyway, F-A-T?
A. I don't know.
Q. Did you consider [Special Agent XXX] request to use the FAT system to qualify for his weapon a request for reasonable accommodation for his medical condition?
A. I don't know how to answer that.
Q. In your view, what connection is there between workers' comp and providing reasonable accommodation?
A. I can't answer that question.
Q. Did you contact legal counsel about [Special Agent XXX] XX using the FAT system to qualify for his weapon?
A. Can you repeat the question again, please?
Q. Did you contact legal counsel about [Special Agent XXX] XX request to use the FAT system to qualify for his weapon?
A. I don't recall if it was myself or somebody else.
Q. Did he report to you about any contact he had with legal counsel about [Special Agent XXX] XXX request to use the FAT system to qualify?
A. I don't recall.
Q. Did you contact and talk to the Employee Labor Relations Branch about [Special Agent XXX] request to use FAT to qualify?
A. I don't recall.
Q. Why did you not get that information?
A. I don't know.
Q. Did [Special Agent XXX] XXX ever tell you whether or not he received that information or not?
A. I don't have any recollection whether he did one way or another.
Q. Did [Special Agent XXX] tell you that he had requested the information but [Special Agent XXX] XXX doctor never provided it?
A. I don't recall. I don't recall anything of that nature.
Q. Did [Special Agent XXX] XXX tell you that he had contacted Mr. XXXXX doctor on this matter?
A. I don't recall.
Q. Did [Special Agent XXX] tell you that he instructed Mr. XXXXX to contact [Special Agent XXX] XXX doctor?
A. I don't recall him saying anything like that to me.
Q. Was [Special Agent XXX] XXX given [Special Agent XXX] doctor's information about his condition and request for FATS?
A. I don't know.
Q. Did anyone at ATF headquarters tell you that they had asked [Special Agent XXX] XXX doctor for more medical information to see if he should qualify to use the FAT system?
A. I've already answered this question a number of times, and the answer is, I don't know.
Q. Are there a number of laws that require reasonable accommodation to be given to disabled employees?
A. I don't know if it's one law or multiple laws, I'm not in an area of expertise for me.
Q. Do you recall what that law is?
A. Not offhand, no.
Q. To your knowledge did ELRB ever contact Mr. XXXXX about using FAT to qualify?
A. I do not know.
Q. To your knowledge did ATF legal counsel ever contact [Special Agent XXX] to discuss using FAT to qualify?
A. I do not know.
Q. To your knowledge did OWCP ever contact Mr. XXXXXX to determine if he should use FAT to qualify?
A. I do not know.
Q. Finally, do you know whether [Special Agent XXX] XXX ever talked with [Special Agent XXX] about using FAT to qualify?
A. I don't know -- I don't know.
Q. One of the issues is that in around October th, , [Special Agent XXX] was terminated. Do you recall that event?
A. I do.
Q. Were you involved in the decision to terminate [Special Agent XXX] X?
A. No, I was not.
Q. Do you know who made that decision?
A. I don't know the specific person who made that decision, no, I don't.
Q. Whether medical documents or e-mail, just information or notice to you that [Special Agent XXX] is clear to return to work but he could not do -- he has some physical limitation so could not do all of his special agent duties?
A. I don't have any recollection of that.
Q. To your understanding are you prohibited from modifying the range of full special agent duties to accommodate a special agent with disabilities?
A. I'm not aware of ATF or government policy in that regard about modifying a special agent's duties.
Q. Has anyone from headquarters asked you to consider modifying [Special Agent XXX] special agent duties to accommodate his physical disabilities?
A. Not that I recall.
Q. Did anyone in the San Francisco division discuss with you whether [Special Agent XXX] XXX special agent duties could be modified to accommodate his physical disabilities?
A. Not that I recall.
Q. Do you recall receiving a copy of that policy from [Special Agent XXX] last year?
A. No.
Q. Did you discuss with [Special Agent XXX] providing reasonable accommodation in the form of limited duty positions for [Special Agent XXX] X?
A. Not that I can recall.
Q. Do you recall talking with [Special Agent XXX] regarding providing limited duty positions -- a limited duty position to [Special Agent XXX] as an accommodation?
A. I don't.
Q. Were you asked as to what other duties Mr. XXXXX could perform while in the San Francisco division?
A. Was I asked by who?
Q. Anyone.
A. I don't recall having any conversation in that regards with anybody.
Q. Who was the first person who suggested that Mr. XXXXX should be answering phones?
A. I don't know.
Q. Did anybody during the discussion with Miss XXXXXX and Miss XXXXX or [Special Agent XXX] talk about the potential for [Special Agent XXX] humiliation of being assigned that job? Did they talk about that at all?
A. Not that I recall.
Q. Did they talk about any impact tha
ATF has two distinct sets of rules when it comes to handling employee matters. On one hand, managers at all levels are ruthlessly shielded from scrutiny and rightful accountability, even when their conduct is flagrantly and deliberately unlawful. On the other hand, agents and employees that speak out in any way against management abuse or misconduct are often threatened or disciplined for the most minor infractions. And if there are no minor infractions to be found, they will be fabricated. The following are two cases in point:
Standard A: Management:
- It is a little publicized fact that an ATF Special-Agent-in-Charge (SAC), a high-ranking management official, was the subject of a lengthy investigation conducted by the Department of Justice's Office of the Inspector General (OIG). The investigation concluded that this ATF manager had repeatedly engaged in substantial acts of criminal and ethical misconduct, including abuses of authority, discrimination, retaliation, misuse of government funds, resources and personnel, and other flagrantly unlawful behavior.
- The OIG investigation also formally determined that the subject, a senior federal law enforcement management official, misused her position and ATF resources for personal gain. Specifically, the SAC allegedly directed ATF agents to provide security for a personal friend who was signing books at a local bookstore, and that the SAC knowingly made numerous false statements to federal investigators.
- The accusations first surfaced while the individual was an Assistant SAC (ASAC) in the Atlanta Field Division. Nevertheless, ATF Headquarters promoted her to be SAC of the Houston Division, but continuing complaints and allegations eventually prompted her removal and transfer to HQ. However, once again, rather than demoting or firing this disgraceful individual as they would have done with any normal agent or employee, ATF's leadership simply moved her into the SAC position in Atlanta, where the misconduct had been first reported!
- Eventually, this person's misconduct became so embarrassing to ATF that top management officials, including ADFO Hoover and DAD Mark Chait, personally travelled to Atlanta to remove her from her SAC position. But once again, rather than immediately terminating her from government service, they simply created a new position so that she could keep a low profile until the extremely damaging OIG report blew over. When Atlanta Journal reporter Robin Cook questioned ATF about the SAC's sudden departure, the Bureau responded that it was just a "normal reassignment to HQ".
- This incredibly corrupt law enforcement official was not only allowed to retain her Senior Executive Service (SES) status, but reportedly to receive per diem (travel payments). She remained "on the job" until the very last minute before the OIG report was published.
- During a meeting with an unrelated complainant, ATF Deputy Director Carter flatly denied that there had been a formal finding of discrimination against the subject SAC. He was either unaware or more likely, deliberately covering up the unpleasant facts. Both are unacceptable on the part of such a high public law enforcement official.
- Most of these facts had been repeatedly reported to senior ATF managers Hoover and Carter. It is apparent that they were entirely misled either by their own Counsel's Office as to the severity of the misconduct, or were fully aware and opted to sweep the entire matter under the rug. The fact that the SAC in question was so unceremoniously removed from a senior divisional management position suggests that they knew precisely what was going on.
- Despite unmistakable evidence of substantial criminal misconduct, the U.S. Attorney's Office eventually declined to prosecute the corrupt SAC and allowed ATF to send her quietly into retirement. Such "passes" are almost never given without direct input from the involved agency (in this case, ATF). Who from ATF was aware that one of the leading managers was under a deserved threat of criminal prosecution, and what was their response?
- During this reporting period, the OIG received over 200 complaints involving ATF. The most common allegations made by ATF employees involved waste, misuse of government property and theft. The OIG opened three cases and referred others to ATF's OPR for internal "review". At the close of the reporting period, the OIG had six open criminal or administrative investigations of alleged misconduct related to ATF employees. The criminal investigations included release of information, denial of rights or due process, drug trafficking, and fraud. The administrative investigations involved serious allegations of misconduct, such as the aforementioned Atlanta SAC, however, as usual, ATF looks the other way whenever a management official is involved.
An ATF Special Agent survives 20 years of outstanding service as an undercover operative and is the recipient of numerous commendations and awards for investigative excellence and bravery. He was the subject of many ATF national headlines showcasing him as the epitome of how ATF contributes to public safety. He has repeatedly taught and presented in support of ATF's mission. He spent a large portion of his life away from his wife and children to serve his oath and the greater good of his country. He has never been found lacking in terms of ethics, competence or commitment, and has always accepted responsibility for any mistakes. However, this agent had the audacity to speak out against horrendous abuses on the part of ATF management. For his vast contributions in comparison to the SAC (manager) described above, he has received the following considerations:
- Although still employed by the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives in an office job, he's been forced to file two lawsuits against ATF as a result of the Bureau's abject failure to protect him from years of death threats made by vicious outlaw bikers and other criminals. A landmark 2008 U.S. Department of Justice, Office of the Inspector General report concluded that the agent's claims were accurate. OIG found that ATF had failed to move the agent and his family, failed to protect their identities, and that ATF's response to certain death threats was "inadequate, incomplete and needlessly delayed, and that ATF reached "dismissive conclusions about the threats without adequate investigation."
- The agent has been forced to move his family more than 10 times in 4 years.
- A Hells Angel in prison was caught writing a letter to another gang member, saying they should arrange for the gang rape of the agent's wife and torture of his teenage daughter.
- By filing suits and alerting members of Congress about the insane abuses he has suffered at the hands of his own managers, the agent is committing career suicide, but does so with the knowledge that there is a greater good involved at that, "Nobody has ever stood up to these guys before."
- When unknown criminals burned the agent's house down with his family sleeping inside, ATF not only failed to promptly or adequately investigate, but actually accused the agent, who was 100 miles away at the time, of setting the fire! They also claimed without any evidence that he was "mentally unfit".
- The criminals themselves have claimed that a major undercover investigation conducted by this agent went "bad" due to misconduct on the part of that agent. However, the assistant U.S. attorney who prosecuted the case, Tim Duax, says that's "nonsense...(the agent's) undercover work was solid." The reason the case disintegrated, "...had nothing to do with the Agent."
- The agent's superiors told him that by filing his complaints, he'd be ending his career in "a postage stamp in the middle of nowhere,"
- During a recent mediation hearing related to his lawsuit, ATF's mediation offer was, "Quit or be fired."
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From: gunrunner
Date: Wed, July 1st, 2009, 20:30 EST
Just watched Fox News. Un-F***ing-Believable! Larry Ford has no credibility. ATF caring about Dobyns or any of us is a bold faced lie. Truscott said the same thing. So did Domenech. Then Sullivan and Carter. Next up will be Hoover and Melson. They don’t care about Dobyns or me or any agent. They are fighting to keep the truth from us and lying to us in the process. None of them can take responsibility or admit guilt. They can’t even say we made a mistake or sorry. Do you hear me Newell, Gillette and Higman (where ever you ran off to). They are all cowards who think they can do no wrong. Whether Dobyns’ case makes it into court or not does not mean that we don’t know what you have done. You still are responsible. DOJ can’t save you from the truth! Stop hiding you cowards. I’ll give you the same ultimatum you gave Jay, resign. America has its eyes on you and we are angry. Dobyns is on the point but we are all next. Take a stand out there you silent agents or forever accept what happens to you and keep your mouths shut! Melson is asleep at the wheel. How do you let this continue? Keep your seat warm so the next guy who is an acting-acting-acting Director can fix it! Pathetic is a description too flattering for all of you.
From: gunrunner
Date: Wed, July 1st, 2009, 20:58 EST
Jay, my man, no one has ever called these guys out like you have. I guess they never really took the time to know what you’re about over the past 20 years. You’re dangerous and they’re pussies. Too bad for them. I always looked at you as one of the nicest guys I would ever meet but someone who didn’t give a f**k and would slit your throat if you ever f***ed with his family or friends. The comment Queen made in the post about having it worse than you after his case was an insult. Didn’t you have his six big time when he had his drama? If he did have it worse, which I doubt and cannot even imagine, then he should have stepped up and not left you to fight this fight on your own. It’s a f**k or be f**ed world in ATF. Make sure the liars are on the receiving end for all the rest of us.
